# Magiver, are you okay? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 6, 2019, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777 "2019-09-06T08:29:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/1 "2019-09-06T08:29:44Z")
Like, seriously, man, are you okay? Is everything all right in your life? Do you have some kind of problem going on that you’re working through, or…? Did you get off your meds? I’m kinda worried about you, and I’m guessing I’m not the only one. I ask because what’s going on in [this thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=881506) is just such an utterly bizarre spectacle. I mean, seriously, I’m trying to figure out what’s going through your head when you post things like this: > [@Trump and his "Cat License"](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-his-cat-license/839713/5): > > OK, I’ll play along. I’d like to dismiss this as another mindless political attack on the President. > > How did he fake a prediction last Thursday? Are you implying the NHC prediction was accurate? Because… it wasn’t. by a considerable amount. Not even close. All he did was extended it out a little further which is common sense. Did you think the NHC version was going to evaporate before Alabama. > > Since the NHC was wrong you must know something we don’t. Show your work. That’s… a pretty bad post. But okay, sometimes we fuck up in defense of our political causes. Hell, I did earlier this week when I thought that Trump made a video that he merely distributed. I corrected my error and apologized. It happens. Where it gets worrying is here. After around 50 posts of people explaining exactly what’s wrong with what you’re saying, and citing relevant experts, you still have this to say: > [@Trump and his "Cat License"](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-and-his-cat-license/839713/52): > > Again, he projected one of many forecasts a fraction further in the same direction which is just a common sense way of looking at it. > > It’s standard practice for leaders to stress the need to be prepared. this s a mountain out of a no-hill driven by a need to demonize the President. > > Anybody with common sense could look at the projection and see a need for people in Alabama to be concerned. It’s like you didn’t even read a word of what anyone else said, and just repeated the same thing like someone who cannot cope with reality or remember what’s going on. It’s like what happens when my grandmother has a really bad day. “I swear, I put the keys to my Lexus on the shelf just this morning, and now I can’t find them…” “Grandma… you sold your Lexus years ago when we all agreed you weren’t fit to drive any more, don’t you remember?” “No, it was definitely right there, I remember it! And now I can’t find them! I hope they haven’t been stolen by my no-good grandson…” “Grandma… I’m your grandson.” “What? No, that can’t be right… Now where are my keys? I know I put them right here…” So I have to ask - are you okay? Did you get off your meds? Are you eating right? And hey, I wouldn’t start this thread if I hadn’t been there before. I got off my meds earlier this year and it was _not_ good for me. Now I’ve doubled my original dose and I’m doing better. Maybe that’s what you need, too? Basically, what I’m saying is, I’m worried about you, man. Call this an intervention, if you’d like. There’s something _wrong_ with you, something causing you to make very poor decisions in ways that could very well hurt you or those you love. Please, for the sake of those you care about, consider consulting a psychiatrist. They can help - or at least help put you in a position where your mental degeneration isn’t going to hurt anyone else. Hopefully a position far away from the rest of us, because this really isn’t pretty to look at. ☹ Sincerely, Your friend, **BPC**. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/2 "2019-09-06T12:23:40Z")
So: Magiver believes that Trump projecting the path of the hurricane as known at that time a little further is not that big a deal. People then disagree. At which point you apparently expect him to issue an apology, and a retraction of some sort, the absence of which leads you to to be concerned about medication, harm to self or others, and flirting with a dementia diagnosis. That is both repugnant and insane. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/3 "2019-09-06T12:28:01Z")
Projection is a powerful thing sometimes. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/4 "2019-09-06T12:30:11Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Projection is a powerful thing sometimes. > > Regards, > Shodan “No-_you!_” by proxy. How predictable. ---
**Author:** ![Two\_Many\_Cats](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8dc957/32.png) [@Two\_Many\_Cats](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Two_Many_Cats)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/5 "2019-09-06T12:30:42Z")
Yeah, I like satire more than most, but this is just out of bounds, and plain mean. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/6 "2019-09-06T13:21:46Z")
“Something” is probably wrong with **Magiver** , but it looks to be the standard “partisan asshole” variety wrongness, not something medical. We’ve had the odd [sic] poster with some genuine red flags for mental illness in their posts; I’m not seeing anything like that here. **Magiver** has been like this for as long as he’s been on this board. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/7 "2019-09-06T13:33:19Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Projection is a powerful thing sometimes. Like, projecting the path of a hurricane? Can’t argue with you there. It makes idiots to rally to a cause. That’s powerful dumb. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/8 "2019-09-06T13:42:21Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > “Something” is probably wrong with **Magiver** , but it looks to be the standard “partisan asshole” variety wrongness, not something medical. We’ve had the odd [sic] poster with some genuine red flags for mental illness in their posts; I’m not seeing anything like that here. > > **Magiver** has been like this for as long as he’s been on this board. Wow, if he’s always been like this, then I need to look up his other posts to feed my love of the absurd. Because that’s what jumped out at me in the Fake Hurricane News thread: **Magiver** was either _so_ partisan\* that he’s willing to twist reality until it exonerates Trump from even a needless lie, or he was putting on an over-the-top persona to mess with everyone else. On the other hand, if he _is_ off his meds… Hey, Magiver, those pills have a purpose! I think the label says “Take two before posting”. \*Seriously, read that thread if you haven’t. We’re talking Baghdad Bob levels of delusion. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/9 "2019-09-06T13:54:48Z")
> [@digs](#): > > \*Seriously, read that thread if you haven’t. I have. And I stand by my statement that his posting in that thread is consistent with his posting style for as long as I’ve interacted with him. He’s posting less these days, but not differently. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/10 "2019-09-06T14:15:57Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Like, projecting the path of a hurricane? > > Can’t argue with you there. It makes idiots to rally to a cause. That’s powerful dumb. _:draws with a Sharpie on **Ravenman** ’s post pointing to Alabama:_ Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/11 "2019-09-06T14:29:56Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Like, seriously, man, are you okay? > … > > So I have to ask - are you okay? Did you get off your meds? Are you eating right? Not cool. And offensive as all fuck. Especially so if you’re expecting to be taken seriously and not as someone issuing a mocking response. Medicalizing a discussion participant, relegating their opinions and passions and viewpoints and understandings to a bunch of misfiring neurons, is an incredibly dehumanizing way of discrediting what they’re saying. It’s pernicious because it disguises the discrediting with a patina of compassionate concern. It’s the lowest form of _argument ad hominem_. If I were a moderator there would be a moratorium on this inference being used. Warnings would be issued for violations of it. (Yes, it _does_ push some buttons for me for personal-historical reasons. That doesn’t invalidate what I’m saying about it. It’s entirely not cool) ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/12 "2019-09-06T14:41:04Z")
This much candor at one time may be harmful, or even fatal, to those of us who haven’t developed a tolerance for it. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 2:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/13 "2019-09-06T14:48:10Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Projection is a powerful thing sometimes. > > Regards, > Shodan You can tell that Magiver is a piece of shot because Shodan is here to defend him. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/14 "2019-09-06T15:12:46Z")
Y’know, **Wolf333** isn’t as dumb as his spelling makes him seem. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/15 "2019-09-06T15:29:10Z")
The Soviet model. Marxism was an objective truth, as proven by the twin sciences of history and economics. Therefore, political dissidence was clearly irrational and a product of mental illness. It was therefore medically valid to send the dissident to a mental hospital for treatment. There was kind of a point, in that political dissidence was clearly detrimental to the well-being of one’s self and one’s family. Of course, this approach did not become common until after the Stalin years, which had a more direct and final treatment for such mental illness. Dumbthink isn’t pathology, usually its simple ignorance. Willful ignorance often supports an unreasonable opinion, but there is no line where political stupidity crosses over into psychological illness. Sure, believing that Trump is a brilliant leader is crazy, but that does not necessarily mean that the believer is crazy. So, this guy was being treated for delusion, he believed that he was dead. The doctor conducting his treatment used every reasonable argument, but the patient consistently created elaborate rationales to evade them. Finally, the doctor had an inspiration, and asked: “Do dead people bleed?” “Of course not.” answered his patient. The doctor seized a needle and poked the patients thumb, squeezing out a drop of blood. “There! What have I just proved to you!” “Wow!” said the patient “Dead people do bleed!” ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/16 "2019-09-06T15:36:07Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > _:draws with a Sharpie on **Ravenman** ’s post pointing to Alabama:_ Alabama better watch the fuck out for itself. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/17 "2019-09-06T15:37:41Z")
> [@digs](#): > > **Wow, if he’s always been like this, then I need to look up his other posts to feed my love of the absurd**. Because that’s what jumped out at me in the Fake Hurricane News thread: **Magiver** was either _so_ partisan\* that he’s willing to twist reality until it exonerates Trump from even a needless lie, or he was putting on an over-the-top persona to mess with everyone else. On the other hand, if he _is_ off his meds… Hey, Magiver, those pills have a purpose! I think the label says “Take two before posting”. > \*Seriously, read that thread if you haven’t. We’re talking Baghdad Bob levels of delusion. Absurd:[Two-fisted punching](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12659102&postcount=24) ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/18 "2019-09-06T16:03:08Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Absurd:[Two-fisted punching](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=12659102&postcount=24) In 2010. Bravo - that’s holding on to stuff fo’ realz. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/19 "2019-09-06T16:03:28Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Alabama better watch the fuck out for itself. Hold my beer. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2019, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777/20 "2019-09-06T16:09:08Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Hold my beer. > > Regards, > Shodan _chugs_ [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-are-you-okay/839777.md?page=2)