# Magiver, you are being stupendously, but unsurprisingly, stupid in the Benghazi thread. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 15, 2014, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389 "2014-02-15T01:26:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/21 "2014-02-15T21:14:34Z")
> [@j666](#): > > I saw the part about the assault vespas, and am at the 30 minute time to flight in Europe now, after the brief side-trip through Mogadishu. > > I take occasional breaks to read a bit of the wiki article when my head starts spinning to fast. > > I don’t know why I’m so fascinated by this now, but I feel compelled to read the whole thread to see how the argument keeps shifting, and, of course, to see what got A. banned. Maybe he is a fan of the FLCL anime. 😃 > **[FLCL (Fooly Cooly or Furi Kuri): The big review](http://bryanime.blogspot.com/2010/07/flcl-fooly-cooly-or-furi-kuri-big.html)** > > Well, it’s time to review that anime that everybody wanted me to watch because it offended them on a deep level for some reason. Since t... ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/22 "2014-02-15T22:36:58Z")
> [@j666](#): > > … but I feel compelled to read the whole thread to see how the argument keeps shifting… Get a ten pound chunk of granite and beat it with a baseball bat. About five minutes should be plenty. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/23 "2014-02-15T22:49:19Z")
Okay, he’s brought up Boston. I’m wondering if any one ever brought up Waltham a week later … ---
**Author:** ![zoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zoid/32/336_2.png) [@zoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zoid)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/24 "2014-02-15T22:58:48Z")
Aaaaaand…closed. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2014, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/25 "2014-02-15T23:43:28Z")
> [@zoid](#): > > Aaaaaand…closed. Damn. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/26 "2014-02-16T00:46:20Z")
Well, at least you know how much more you have left to read. But really, take **Luc’s** advice. Or mine. Either will be better than reading that colossal redundant train wreck. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Panda](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ee7513/32.png) [@Darth\_Panda](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Panda)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/27 "2014-02-16T04:13:54Z")
> [@Enter\_the\_Flagon](#): > > What he needs is to have a chimpanzee slap him on both sides of his head at the same time, 3 Stooges-style. The old “Double Moe”. > > [The resulting shock wave will reverberate through his cranium until his head explodes like a watermelon dropped from a high rise.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=569914) > Or, you know, not. 😉 Still my favorite thread of all time. Memories. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/28 "2014-02-16T13:49:16Z")
Well, I gave up. There was stuff in there that i did not about military equipment and logistics and even about the events and background of the Benghazi attack, but I couldn’t read it because my eyes were glazing over. What amazes me is that so many continued to engage. Some, I noticed, were repeating requests for cites or details that had been ignored on previous pages, to emphasize that they were not provided, or were repeating some basic facts. Still, I would have expected a general “Yeah, right, whatever” death of the thread. Huh. I’m also disappointed that there wasn’t a more dramatic final post that caused the banning. In short, you were right, I should have given up after page 3. ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/29 "2014-02-16T14:53:00Z")
Don’t worry, your eyes will stop bleeding soon. I come here primarily for entertainment, secondarily to broaden my knowledge. This thread served both. Granted, by the end there was precious little new information. It was mostly a demonstration of the intransigence of willful stupidity. But that alone has its charms, from an entertainment perspective, and I was actually disappointed that the thread was closed. It was like an old friend. Every day I’d open it, and every day it would deliver its small measure of fun. I don’t see the harm – or the necessity for closure – in that. But yeah, you couldn’t get me to read it beginning to end if you held a gun (or an F-16) to my head. ---
**Author:** ![j666](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de0a6/32.png) [@j666](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/j666)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/30 "2014-02-16T15:05:41Z")
> [@CannyDan](#): > > But yeah, you couldn’t get me to read it beginning to end if you held a gun (or an F-16) **to my head.** No need. We could have challenged you from three miles away, having identified your current location with satellite imagery, using _ **old** _ technology. I’m going to clean the house and watch as many non-action / adventure / war movies as I can squeeze into a single day. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/31 "2014-02-16T17:40:09Z")
> [@j666](#): > > What amazes me is that so many continued to engage. Some, I noticed, were repeating requests for cites or details that had been ignored on previous pages, to emphasize that they were not provided, or were repeating some basic facts. Sorry. ☹ But in my defense, if I hadn’t continued to engage, one of the jerkholes in that thread probably wouldn’t have been banned so quickly. Also, not all interaction on this board is about winning a debate, which was clearly established early on. Sometimes it’s just entertaining to beat up a dimwitted punching bag. Just for kicks. Double roundhouse kicks to the head that make brains shoot out like Mentos dropping into Diet Coke. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/32 "2014-02-16T19:55:33Z")
> [@Ravenman](#): > > Double roundhouse kicks to the head that make brains shoot out like Mentos dropping into Diet Coke. Interesting image, but you will need to post how you could do it a few hundred more times, with no supporting evidence and while ignoring all evidence to the contrary, before we can take you seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2014, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/33 "2014-02-16T23:47:25Z")
I’m very glad that people continued to engage **Magiver**. For instance, I actually was quite impressed by his claims to be able to provide a charter aircraft, pilot, flight-plan, etc., all on very short notice. I would have guessed that this would take days to arrange, not mere minutes. So, without others coming in and explaining why this is not analogous to military flight preparation, I might have found his argument convincing. When he showed himself incapable of defending it as a comparison, I lost faith in him. A lot of SDMB debates are watched by people who are just flat-out ignorant. I’ve certainly never arranged for any kind of aircraft to fly. Most of us never have. We’re forced to trust the statements made to us by people who actually have done these things. So, yes, please: always engage fallacious claims! If they are allowed to stand without rebuttal, then good (and ignorant) people are vulnerable to being misled. Thank you, all of you who continued to point out the flaws in **Magiver** ’s arguments. This is how ignorance is fought. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/34 "2014-02-17T20:21:13Z")
I actually wanted to post about Magiver’s monkeypunch meltdown. But I thought it might have been out of place in GD. He’s just an arrogant ass who would rather lie for twenty pages than admit a simple mistake. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/35 "2014-02-17T20:36:03Z")
I was rather hoping he’d have a better sense of humor about it and suggest a double-F16 launch from a pair of treadmills floating in the Med. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/36 "2014-02-17T20:38:40Z")
One gets a weird sense of dissonance when, on the World Trade Center thread, he was one of the voices of reason. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/37 "2014-02-17T20:49:00Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > One gets a weird sense of dissonance when, on the World Trade Center thread, he was one of the voices of reason. Yeah, he trusts the experts then. But not when it comes to military matters. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/38 "2014-02-17T21:00:10Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Yeah, he trusts the experts then. But not when it comes to military matters. No, he trusts them too, mostly. Just not when a Democrat is in office. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2014, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/39 "2014-02-17T21:33:02Z")
> [@Trinopus](#): > > One gets a weird sense of dissonance when, on the World Trade Center thread, he was one of the voices of reason. I rather suspect the only reason he’s on the side he is in that thread, is that a Republican was in office when it happened. If Gore had been president in 2001, **Magiver** would likely be posting about squibs and nano-thermite today. ---
**Author:** ![rogerbox](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/76d3ee/32.png) [@rogerbox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rogerbox)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2014, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389/40 "2014-02-19T12:25:50Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I actually wanted to post about Magiver’s monkeypunch meltdown. But I thought it might have been out of place in GD. > > He’s just an arrogant ass who would rather lie for twenty pages than admit a simple mistake. To me he will forever be chimpanzee double punch guy. Im shocked anyone ever engaged someone who demonstrated that they will talk so authoritively from their ass again. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magiver-you-are-being-stupendously-but-unsurprisingly-stupid-in-the-benghazi-thread/681389.md?page=3)