# Magnetic letters in countries with different alphabets **URL:** \ **Category:** Factual Questions\ **Created:** [April 15, 2011, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490 "2011-04-15T15:14:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/1 "2011-04-15T15:14:20Z")
Magnetic letters made of brightly coloured plastic with a small embedded magnet are really common here in the UK - usually found attached to refrigerator doors in houses with kids - I assume the same is true in the USA. But what about countries with non-Roman alphabets, or with diacritics? Do magnetic letter sets (of the same kind) exist there? How common/popular are they? ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/2 "2011-04-15T15:17:45Z")
The local Hebrew bookstore has Hebrew letter refrigerator magnets. I bought a set when I was trying to learn the alphabet, but just like the English ones, most of them got lost under the fridge or were munched on by the dog. Apparently our Dalmatian pup was bilingual. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/3 "2011-04-15T15:19:27Z")
Thanks - were they the same general design and construction as the Roman ones? ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/4 "2011-04-15T15:20:03Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Apparently our Dalmatian pup was bilingual. 😃 Can’t read in two different languages! ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/5 "2011-04-15T15:29:48Z")
> [@Mangetout](#): > > Thanks - were they the same general design and construction as the Roman ones? Yep! [Molded plastic (hollow in the back) with a little magnet,](http://www.ifimages.com/public/image/245339/view.html) same as the English ones around here. I don’t know why I was so tickled with them, and other things in the store. Ooh! Coloring books in Hebrew! Wow! Hebrew storybooks! Whee! Hebrew alphabet blocks! Of course, I realize that there are children who learn Hebrew right along with their ABC’s, right here in Chicago, and why on earth wouldn’t the same tools in a different language be just as useful and bought up by Grandmothers? But to me, there was something so adorable about all this familiar looking stuff in a different alphabet, which I realize is completely stupid and patronizing and culturally insensitive, but I had a BLAST in that store! :o ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/6 "2011-04-15T15:48:07Z")
I found a place that offers [Japanese hiragana](http://www.gincho.co.jp/manabi_syohin_03.html). ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/7 "2011-04-15T15:50:27Z")
> [@Giles](#): > > I found a place that offers [Japanese hiragana](http://www.gincho.co.jp/manabi_syohin_03.html). That was going to be my next question. After whether they have Esperanto ones, with letters like ĝ. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![yabob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yabob/32/2821_2.png) [@yabob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yabob)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/8 "2011-04-15T15:56:30Z")
Do they do it for Korean? There’s an interesting issue. From the wiki [Hangul](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul) article: > [@](#): > > Hangul is a phonemic alphabet organized into syllabic blocks. Each block consists of at least two of the 24 Hangul letters (jamo), with at least one each of the 14 consonants and 10 vowels. These syllabic blocks can be written horizontally from left to right as well as vertically from top to bottom in columns from right to left. Originally, the alphabet had several additional letters (see obsolete jamo). For a phonological description of the letters, see Korean phonology. Presumably they would provide magnets for each of the letters, but they only become valid organized into blocks. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/9 "2011-04-15T16:01:06Z")
This site gives examples of Korean, Arabic, and devanagari, too: [http://polyglotveg.blogspot.com/2008/12/magnets.html](http://polyglotveg.blogspot.com/2008/12/magnets.html) ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/10 "2011-04-15T16:23:31Z")
I have a set of refrigerator magnets with the IPA alphabet. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/11 "2011-04-15T16:28:03Z")
> [@Johnny\_Angel](#): > > I have a set of refrigerator magnets with the IPA alphabet. Awesome! You must have a pretty big fridge, though! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Farmer\_Jane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Farmer\_Jane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Farmer_Jane)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/12 "2011-04-15T16:30:11Z")
> [@Johnny\_Angel](#): > > I have a set of refrigerator magnets with the IPA alphabet. That’s pretty awesome. Yeah, about the Hebrew – my son has the same deal. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/13 "2011-04-15T16:38:12Z")
I never saw anything like them in China, although they might exist somewhere. The whole approach strikes me as a bit casual for the Chinese theory of early childhood education, which focuses more on drills and flashcards (those kids have A LOT of things to memorize before they can read even a simple storybook, so they have to start ASAP) and less on explorative self-directed play-learning. ---
**Author:** ![Giles](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giles/32/60_2.png) [@Giles](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giles)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/14 "2011-04-15T16:55:13Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > I never saw anything like them in China, although they might exist somewhere. The whole approach strikes me as a bit casual for the Chinese theory of early childhood education, which focuses more on drills and flashcards (those kids have A LOT of things to memorize before they can read even a simple storybook, so they have to start ASAP) and less on explorative self-directed play-learning. I thought I’d seen some early readers for Chinese kids in Pinyin, which would mean that they had to learn a much smaller character set to start reading, and which would be useful later when they learned English. ---
**Author:** ![A.Gwilliam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ea5d25/32.png) [@A.Gwilliam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/A.Gwilliam)\ **Post date:** [April 15, 2011, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/15 "2011-04-15T23:38:06Z")
Didn’t the Chinese used to use a non-Roman phonetic alphabet of some sort for teaching? Dunno how long for, or how long ago… ---
**Author:** ![Reply](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reply/32/15952_2.png) [@Reply](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reply)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2011, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/16 "2011-04-16T02:19:29Z")
> [@A.Gwilliam](#): > > Didn’t the Chinese used to use a non-Roman phonetic alphabet of some sort for teaching? Dunno how long for, or how long ago… In Chinese-speaking Taiwan (as distinct from China proper), they still use [Bopomofo](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bopomofo), essentially translating a complex system of squiggly lines into a slightly less complex phonetic system of different-sounding squiggly lines. For example, the characters 醫, 一, and 衣 all become ㄧ. ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2011, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/17 "2011-04-16T02:58:14Z")
You will find readers that have text in both characters and pinyin, but the ultimate goal is always to get children reading characters- pinyin is rarely used in everyday life. So the emphasis is certainly on characters. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2011, 12:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/18 "2011-04-16T12:02:43Z")
Quite a few stores here in Korea carry both English alphabet (that’s what they’re called here) and Hangeul magnets. It’s a trivial issue to organize the Hangeul magnets into syllable blocks: just put the things in the right position, ignoring the fact that they’re not sized correctly. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2011, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/19 "2011-04-16T15:27:13Z")
Having had a couple of kids go through pre-school in China, what happens is that kids learn their ABC’s at about 3 years old. This is part of learning pinyin or the Chinese romanization system. Surprised the hell out of me when one day China Bambina could sing the ABC song and recognized the alphabet. ABC refridgerator magnets and letter blocks are ubiquitous. Pinyin is used in some but not all text books and readers in pre-school and for at least the first few years of elementary school to help learn characters or as a supplement. The only Chinese character based fridge magnet type things I’ve ever seen were here in the US for kids learning chinese as a second language. I don’t remember seeing these in China. Reply - my understanding is that Taiwan is also adopting their “new and improved” version of pinyin. Maybe Koxinga or other Taiwan based dopers can weigh. IMHO, zhuyinfuhao aka bopomofo was not a very practical system. It’s not universal like roman characters, and it never evolved into a Katakana type system for foreign words. I think the deathknell is the computer and clear advantage of using a roman keyboard as an input device. Of course, as a English speaker that learned Chinese as a second language I’m biased as a roman letter based system is far more efficient in this case. And I did learn both systems as well as wade-giles and the yale romanization systems. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2011, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490/20 "2011-05-09T14:28:48Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Reply - my understanding is that Taiwan is also adopting their “new and improved” version of pinyin. Maybe Koxinga or other Taiwan based dopers can weigh. > > IMHO, zhuyinfuhao aka bopomofo was not a very practical system. It’s not universal like roman characters, and it never evolved into a Katakana type system for foreign words. I think the deathknell is the computer and clear advantage of using a roman keyboard as an input device. Of course, as a English speaker that learned Chinese as a second language I’m biased as a roman letter based system is far more efficient in this case. And I did learn both systems as well as wade-giles and the yale romanization systems. Only just saw this. As far as I can tell, bopomofo is alive and well, and my kid’s going to kindergarten. She starts out tracing the zhuyinfuhao characters as an introduction to Mandarin syllables, and at the same time she gets essential practice in the basic stroke forms ahead of learning characters in a year or two. One final advantage for her in particular is that, as a kid who’s already reading English, she won’t get confused by roman characters in pinyin that are supposed to have different pronunciations. So, YMMV but I think bopomofo’s great. ETA: _snerk_ Keyboards? All the cool kids are using touchpads these days, gramps. And if you insist on using a keyboard in the office, IME they’re just as efficient typing bopomofo based input as they are roman characters – probably more so, what with the QWERTY setup and all that. ETA ETA: 中華民國萬歲! [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/magnetic-letters-in-countries-with-different-alphabets/578490.md?page=2)