# Maine on the brink of a government shutdown **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 26, 2017, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922 "2017-06-26T16:02:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922/21 "2017-07-01T19:28:16Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > That’s really sad for the 33% of the civil serpents who actually do work. This seems uncalled for. Is it based on actual statistical knowledge or just generalized bigotry? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2017, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922/22 "2017-07-01T20:51:58Z")
_Who says civil servants are lazy? Well, they do actually_ > **[William Watson: Civil servants not born lazy — they learn it at work](https://financialpost.com/opinion/william-watson-civil-servants-not-born-lazy-they-learn-it-at-work/wcm/f4fc2e92-ba59-4360-ad79-84fcc01ccac9)** > > Who says civil servants are lazy? Well, they do actually I Googled it for you. ---
**Author:** ![Arrogantly\_Ignorant](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Arrogantly\_Ignorant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arrogantly_Ignorant)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2017, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922/23 "2017-07-01T21:39:24Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > _Who says civil servants are lazy? Well, they do actually_ > > [William Watson: Civil servants not born lazy — they learn it at work | Financial Post](http://business.financialpost.com/opinion/william-watson-civil-servants-not-born-lazy-they-learn-it-at-work/wcm/f4fc2e92-ba59-4360-ad79-84fcc01ccac9) > > I Googled it for you. So your cite is an analysis of a 2004-05 a German survey that was based on people’s perception of themselves as lazy, not if they do work, which was your original claim)? That wasn’t the effort it took you to google. ---
**Author:** ![boffking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@boffking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boffking)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2017, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922/24 "2017-07-02T00:35:19Z")
The shut down will cost the state $200k per week in lottery sales. [Shutdown puts some multistate lottery games out of reach - Portland Press Herald](http://www.pressherald.com/2017/07/01/some-lottery-games-unavailable-due-to-shut-down/) ---
**Author:** ![iamthewalrus\_3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/258eb7/32.png) [@iamthewalrus\_3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iamthewalrus_3)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2017, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922/25 "2017-07-03T23:28:58Z")
> [@boffking](#): > > The shut down will cost the state $200k per week in lottery sales. [Shutdown puts some multistate lottery games out of reach](http://www.pressherald.com/2017/07/01/some-lottery-games-unavailable-due-to-shut-down/) Is that a pro, or a con? ---
**Author:** ![boffking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@boffking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boffking)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922/26 "2017-07-04T00:16:13Z")
> [@iamthewalrus\_3](#): > > Is that a pro, or a con? I imagine those of us who don’t play the lottery are going to see an increase in our taxes, so a con. ---
**Author:** ![boffking](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/858c86/32.png) [@boffking](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/boffking)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2017, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922/27 "2017-07-04T12:55:05Z")
The shutdown is over. [LePage signs budget, ending state government shutdown after 3 days - Portland Press Herald](http://www.pressherald.com/2017/07/03/house-vote-again-falls-short-in-state-budget-saga/) ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_blistering_barnacle/32/3386_2.png) [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Blistering_Barnacle)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2017, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922/28 "2017-07-06T22:26:03Z")
I’ve heard an interview from Illinois pointing out that Springfield is cynically relying on non-profits to shoulder the burden of keeping things going. Which they do as long as they can. By reducing salaries, reducing positions, by delaying their payments to suppliers, etc. I’m sure it’s true of many businesses that contract with the state. The state’s float becomes their float. So in addition to the direct costs (such as increased cost of borrowing), there are ripple effects through the whole economy. Basically, the state government (legislature and governor) is shifting the burden of its job (deciding the right thing to do and budgeting it) to its workers, to its charities, and to its citizens. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2017, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922/29 "2017-07-08T03:36:32Z")
That’s how you run the gov’t like a business! Make other people pay for things! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922/30 "2017-08-10T06:15:07Z")
The gov also threatened to raise the voting age to 21. Apparently his copy of the Constitution doesn’t include more recent amendments. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922/31 "2017-08-10T10:51:38Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The gov also threatened to raise the voting age to 21. Apparently his copy of the Constitution doesn’t include more recent amendments. :rolleyes: His tribe thinks the only amendment is the second. Or more exactly, the second half of the second. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922/32 "2017-08-10T20:19:55Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > His tribe thinks the only amendment is the second. Or more exactly, the second half of the second. “Tribe”? “Second half of the second”? Almost had a political buzzword bingo. At least his tribe isn’t the tribe that assaults people for exercising part of the first. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922/33 "2017-08-10T21:21:05Z")
Ka-Zing! ---
**Author:** ![erysichthon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/d07c76/32.png) [@erysichthon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erysichthon)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2017, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922/34 "2017-08-12T01:39:08Z")
> [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](#): > > I’ve heard an interview from Illinois pointing out that Springfield is cynically relying on non-profits to shoulder the burden of keeping things going. Which they do as long as they can. By reducing salaries, reducing positions, by delaying their payments to suppliers, etc. The governor of Illinois is now rebuffing calls to sell bonds so the state can catch up on the massive pile of bills (and the 12 percent late payment penalties). One theory is that he doesn’t want to do it because bondholders _must_ be paid, but nonprofit agencies can be stiffed without consequences. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922/35 "2017-08-19T04:31:39Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The gov also threatened to raise the voting age to 21. Apparently his copy of the Constitution doesn’t include more recent amendments. :rolleyes: That lowers the voting age on Federal elections only. States could put a different age limit on state/local election if they wanted. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922/36 "2017-08-19T04:43:05Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > That lowers the voting age on Federal elections only. The 24th Amendment (poll taxes) is only for federal elections, but the 26th Amendment is for all of them. “The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.” The Voting Rights Act lowered it for federal elections, but it was superseded by the amendment. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2017, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922/37 "2017-08-19T09:34:09Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > “Tribe”? “Second half of the second”? Almost had a political buzzword bingo. > > At least his tribe isn’t the tribe that assaults people for exercising part of the first. Gotta love the first > [@](#): > > Guys with the name D-Money, Smoothie, Shifty" come from New York and Connecticut to sell their heroin in Maine, and half the time they impregnate a young white girl before they leave. - Paul LePage Gotta white-knight those neo-nazis. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/maine-on-the-brink-of-a-government-shutdown/789922.md?page=1)