# make case:joint commission appearance of Bush/Cheney doesn't scream mendacity **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 3, 2004, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/make-case-joint-commission-appearance-of-bush-cheney-doesnt-scream-mendacity/238036 "2004-04-03T06:09:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Spoke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a88e57/32.png) [@Spoke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoke)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2004, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/make-case-joint-commission-appearance-of-bush-cheney-doesnt-scream-mendacity/238036/21 "2004-04-05T15:12:33Z")
Yeah, asking Bush to testify without Cheney would be a lot like asking Charlie McCarthy to testify without Edgar Bergen. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2004, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/make-case-joint-commission-appearance-of-bush-cheney-doesnt-scream-mendacity/238036/22 "2004-04-05T15:31:36Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > In fact I had forgotten about the ballistic missile shield which was so much argued about before 9/11 proved it was **moot**. Which of course is the reason we’re still throwing billions of dollars into the plan to deploy a poorly tested and unreliable ABM system this year! ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2004, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/make-case-joint-commission-appearance-of-bush-cheney-doesnt-scream-mendacity/238036/23 "2004-04-05T17:52:13Z")
In related news, it was just revealed yesterday that the White House will get to [review the 9/11 Commision’s final report](http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=3&u=/nm/20040404/pl_nm/security_commission_dc) before it gets released to the public. For “security reasons,” of course. Guess somebody better send an intern out to Office Depot for some black markers. I hear they give you a discount if you buy in bulk… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2004, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/make-case-joint-commission-appearance-of-bush-cheney-doesnt-scream-mendacity/238036/24 "2004-04-05T18:12:44Z")
Actually, **rjung** , I rather doubt that much of anything will actually be “redacted”, as anything so censored would most likely end up being leaked at any rate. What they will do is take very deliberate, very careful steps to analyze each and every page to be quite, _quite_ sure that no dreadful threat to national security resides therein. Of course, the importance of national security demands intense, even obsessive, scrutiny and consideration. None of this can be done in a hasty, slip-shod manner. One must necessarily expect a considerable amount of time must be spent to be absitively, posolutely sure that national security is not compromised. The process can reasonably be expected to be lengthy. Months, even. Of course, while such a process is underway, there is really no good reason to rush pell-mell into an investigation of the “intelligence failures”. As of yet, some six weeks into the process, the principals are still considering the crucial questions of table size, number of chairs, Evian or tap water…all the crucual underpinnings. All of this is going to take some time, people need to be patient. Look over there! Shiny! ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2004, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/make-case-joint-commission-appearance-of-bush-cheney-doesnt-scream-mendacity/238036/25 "2004-04-05T23:19:30Z")
> [@rjung](#): > > In related news, it was just revealed yesterday that the White House will get to [review the 9/11 Commision’s final report](http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=615&e=3&u=/nm/20040404/pl_nm/security_commission_dc) before it gets released to the public. > > For “security reasons,” of course. > > Guess somebody better send an intern out to Office Depot for some black markers. I hear they give you a discount if you buy in bulk… Gotta black out all those Saudi references… ---
**Author:** ![alaricthegoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2004, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/make-case-joint-commission-appearance-of-bush-cheney-doesnt-scream-mendacity/238036/26 "2004-04-06T00:57:47Z")
Gotta black out all those Saudi references Hey! Watch what you say!! When Prince Bandar came on Larry King, and pleaded for those 28 pages to be released I wept, I tell ya, I wept… The man was in pain… ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2004, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/make-case-joint-commission-appearance-of-bush-cheney-doesnt-scream-mendacity/238036/27 "2004-04-06T01:10:18Z")
> [@furt](#): > > Watched Bob Kerrey on the tube today and he said he didn’t care, and thought of this thread. > > Do you have any specific evidence yet that your OP (“insisting”) is in fact the case? I’m not trolling, I’m asking. re-asking ---
**Author:** ![alaricthegoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2004, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/make-case-joint-commission-appearance-of-bush-cheney-doesnt-scream-mendacity/238036/28 "2004-04-06T01:19:10Z")
Kean also suggested he would have preferred that President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney appear separately before the commission, rather than together as they are slated to do under an agreement between the panel and the White House. rrepposting. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2004, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/make-case-joint-commission-appearance-of-bush-cheney-doesnt-scream-mendacity/238036/29 "2004-04-06T02:10:39Z")
“evidence” = cite ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2004, 2:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/make-case-joint-commission-appearance-of-bush-cheney-doesnt-scream-mendacity/238036/30 "2004-04-06T02:16:24Z")
Ah, I see it now. You linkie no workee. Well, I wouldn’t call that “insisting,” but I guess if you want to see it that way… ---
**Author:** ![alaricthegoth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@alaricthegoth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alaricthegoth)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2004, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/make-case-joint-commission-appearance-of-bush-cheney-doesnt-scream-mendacity/238036/31 "2004-04-06T02:19:08Z")
Well, we have gorelick, and the chairman both saying that if they had their druthers, it would be individual. So, since i’t’s gonna be joint, it would appear that the other side is unwilling to appear individual, that’s called insisting, where I come from. ---
**Author:** ![furt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/439d5e/32.png) [@furt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/furt)\ **Post date:** [April 6, 2004, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/make-case-joint-commission-appearance-of-bush-cheney-doesnt-scream-mendacity/238036/32 "2004-04-06T03:30:56Z")
No, that’s two people; as I said, Kerrey said he didn’t care, and AFAIK we have no idea what the other 7 wanted. “Insisting” which you kept repeating, means rather more than just “if I had my druthers.” (Ex: If I had _my_ druthers, I’d prefer my roommate didn’t talk on his cellphone while I’m watching TV; but I asked him once and it’s not worth saying something to him about it again, so I do not insist.) If in fact this was something the Commission was very keen on and Bush was fighting tooth and nail, I’d be concerned. But as the commission is not making much of it, I don’t either. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/make-case-joint-commission-appearance-of-bush-cheney-doesnt-scream-mendacity/238036.md?page=1)