# Making people think they're drunk: An O'Douls Keg Party **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [November 29, 2008, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/making-people-think-theyre-drunk-an-odouls-keg-party/474969 "2008-11-29T20:21:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f19dbf/32.png) [@Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Only_Mostly_Dead)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/making-people-think-theyre-drunk-an-odouls-keg-party/474969/21 "2008-12-02T01:44:00Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > Uh huh, cute. Tell that to [Fred.](http://www.hairofthedog.com/fred-detail.html) I wouldn’t advise asking him more than twice, however, on account of you’d be a bit on your ass. > > Fred is not as scary as [Doggie Claws](http://www.hairofthedog.com/doggie_claws_detail.html), though. That’ll mess you up some. Posting from my phone, so no linkage, but I’ll throw out Dogfish Head (out of Delaware) with, among others that are quite flavorful and alcoholic, Raison D’extra (brown ale) and World Wide Stout, both over 18%. ---
**Author:** ![clayton\_e](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c57346/32.png) [@clayton\_e](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/clayton_e)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 8:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/making-people-think-theyre-drunk-an-odouls-keg-party/474969/22 "2008-12-02T08:57:44Z")
> [@Only\_Mostly\_Dead](#): > > Posting from my phone, so no linkage. . . . First time I’ve seen _that_ on the SDMB.. but go away from the boards for a year or two and technology does that.. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/making-people-think-theyre-drunk-an-odouls-keg-party/474969/23 "2008-12-02T14:40:55Z")
> [@sailor](#): > > Why is American beer like making love in a canoe? > > Because it’s fucking close to water!! You really, seriously need to drink some real American beer. If, however, the joke said, “Why is Coors Light like making love in a canoe?” it would be funny. > [@Only\_Mostly\_Dead](#): > > Posting from my phone, so no linkage, but I’ll throw out Dogfish Head (out of Delaware) with, among others that are quite flavorful and alcoholic, Raison D’extra (brown ale) and World Wide Stout, both over 18%. Minor nitpick perhaps, but you can’t call something with 18% ABV a “brown ale” or a “stout.” That’s almost triple the recommended alcohol content for those styles, requiring multiple fermentations, different yeast, and truckloads of malt. The taste is far sweeter than style guidelines would call for. I’d classify both of those as barleywines. In some (most?) states, you can’t even use the word “beer” legally to describe those–you’d have to call them malt liquors. That said, I’m going to have to find a source and give them a taste, although I usually don’t go for the super-sweet beers. I’ve brewed a fair amount of beer in my time, and I have to say the thought of putting raisins in them never occurred to me. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Beginning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@New\_Beginning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Beginning)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/making-people-think-theyre-drunk-an-odouls-keg-party/474969/24 "2008-12-02T15:15:38Z")
Just an anecdote: I was at a wedding a few years ago with my (then) girlfriend, and two of her close friends. The four of us, knowing how boring the wedding would be, decided to get sloshed. As soon as we had our table, we started making regular trips to the open bar for mixed drinks. In good time, we had each consumed at least 4 or 5 drinks, and we were acting decidedly silly. Nevertheless, I realized at once that I didn’t feel drunk - not even tipsy. I remarked this, and all of a sudden, the silliness ended and everyone agreed that they didn’t feel even slightly drunk. (I still don’t know what the deal was, but I assume that they had severely watered down their drinks to save on money or to reduce fun behavior.) ---
**Author:** ![Wallenstein](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b5a626/32.png) [@Wallenstein](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wallenstein)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/making-people-think-theyre-drunk-an-odouls-keg-party/474969/25 "2008-12-02T15:30:14Z")
There has been some research into the cultural effects of perceived alcohol consumption, which tend to bear out the theory that people “act drunk” because they are expected to, and that this is to a large degree independent of the actual physiological effects that alcohol will have on the body. > [@](#): > > “It appears that some of the short-term effects of ingesting small amounts of alcohol are as strongly related to the drinker’s expectations about the effects of the drug as they are to its chemical action on the body. > > For example, alcohol is commonly thought to stimulate aggression and increase sexual responsiveness. > > Research has shown, however, that these reactions may not be caused by alcohol itself but by the drinker’s beliefs about alcohol’s effects. > > In experiments demonstrating these points, participants are told that they are consuming a quantity of alcohol when they are actually given an alcohol-free beverage with its taste disguised. > > They subsequently become more aggressive (Lang et al., 1975) and report increased sexual arousal (Wilson & Lawson, 1976). > > People who actually drink alcohol also report increased sexual arousal, even though alcohol makes them less aroused physiologically (Farkas & Wilson, 1976). > > Once again, cognitions have a demonstratably powerful effect on behaviour.” > > **“Abnormal Psychology” by Davison & Neale (1997)** ---
**Author:** ![Drain\_Bead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e47774/32.png) [@Drain\_Bead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drain_Bead)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/making-people-think-theyre-drunk-an-odouls-keg-party/474969/26 "2008-12-02T21:44:54Z")
> [@InvisibleWombat](#): > > You really, seriously need to drink some real American beer. > > If, however, the joke said, “Why is Coors Light like making love in a canoe?” it would be funny. > > Minor nitpick perhaps, but you can’t call something with 18% ABV a “brown ale” or a “stout.” That’s almost triple the recommended alcohol content for those styles, requiring multiple fermentations, different yeast, and truckloads of malt. The taste is far sweeter than style guidelines would call for. I’d classify both of those as barleywines. In some (most?) states, you can’t even use the word “beer” legally to describe those–you’d have to call them malt liquors. > > That said, I’m going to have to find a source and give them a taste, although I usually don’t go for the super-sweet beers. I’ve brewed a fair amount of beer in my time, and I have to say the thought of putting raisins in them never occurred to me. Dogfish Head is probably my 2nd favorite American brewery (Bell’s, out of Kalamazoo MI being number one) and the Raison d’Etre is my favorite of their brews. I’d definitely second the advice to give it a shot. I did think it was 9% ABV rather than 18%, though. ---
**Author:** ![Ferret\_Herder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e47774/32.png) [@Ferret\_Herder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ferret_Herder)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/making-people-think-theyre-drunk-an-odouls-keg-party/474969/27 "2008-12-02T21:48:14Z")
> [@Drain\_Bead](#): > > Dogfish Head is probably my 2nd favorite American brewery (Bell’s, out of Kalamazoo MI being number one) and the Raison d’Etre is my favorite of their brews. I’d definitely second the advice to give it a shot. I did think it was 9% ABV rather than 18%, though. That’s the Raison d’Etre. They make a high-octane version called the Raison d’Extra. I had it on Halloween at the Clark Street Ale House in Chicago, and though I’m used to drinking higher-alcohol beers, I really had to nurse the Extra. ---
**Author:** ![Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/f19dbf/32.png) [@Only\_Mostly\_Dead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Only_Mostly_Dead)\ **Post date:** [December 2, 2008, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/making-people-think-theyre-drunk-an-odouls-keg-party/474969/28 "2008-12-02T22:25:43Z")
> [@Ferret\_Herder](#): > > That’s the Raison d’Etre. They make a high-octane version called the Raison d’Extra. I had it on Halloween at the Clark Street Ale House in Chicago, and though I’m used to drinking higher-alcohol beers, I really had to nurse the Extra. I really like Raison D’Etre. D’Extra, not so much. Same with WW Stout. They’re fun experiments in high-alcohol beer/barleywine, and I mentioned them upthread for that sake alone. I’m sure we can all name plenty of beers we love in the 6% to 10% range, which are still far above water. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/making-people-think-theyre-drunk-an-odouls-keg-party/474969.md?page=1)