# Male Centrism at the Dope **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 5, 2018, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437 "2018-06-05T00:04:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/241 "2018-06-05T16:37:04Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Also, it didn’t do my opinion of Skald much good, either, I’ll admit. Same here. His subsequent reactions and posts were a very childish response. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/242 "2018-06-05T16:37:43Z")
Moving on…“Board Culture” has been brought up here and elsewhere as some sort of defense of what is going on, but culture isn’t static by definition. It changes as times and minds change, and I don’t think the change being asked for here is a step back. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/243 "2018-06-05T16:38:13Z")
> [@Chimera](#): > > Totally agree. Those things were completely inappropriate and we’re better for them no longer being acceptable. I agree also, and have admitted I was at fault for those kind of things. I doubt I was the worst perpetrator, but I was being inconsiderate. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/244 "2018-06-05T16:39:53Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > I’m not trolling. I’m participating in the board culture. Do you really have the right to tell women how they should feel or what they should endure because, well…you know what’s best for them? ---
**Author:** ![Delicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@Delicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Delicious)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/245 "2018-06-05T16:40:15Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I can’t speak for all the woman Dopers, but what I’m looking for is a message board where the tone is one where women are treated with respect and dignity, and women are talked about with respect and dignity - like we’re real human beings or something. I’m not looking for any gender’s perspective being treated like the One True Perspective. Are men here treated with or talked about with respect and dignity? This thread is full of counter examples. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/246 "2018-06-05T16:40:37Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > About their dicks, specifically, or commenting in general? Because one is what \*\*Morgenstern \*\*wrote, and one is your idiotic strawman version. [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20998879&postcount=18](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20998879&postcount=18) How is “banana” any different than “boobies”? And comments about the size of said banana? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/247 "2018-06-05T16:41:18Z")
> [@Fotheringay-Phipps](#): > > Male circumcision is widely practiced and accepted. If you base your opposition of FGM on a principle which would also apply to male circumcision, then that raises an issue of whether you would also apply that same principle to circumcision, and if not why not. > > Personally I think this is a perfectly valid way to deal with issues involving principles, and so do a lot of other people. Even if one were to disagree with this for whatever reason, it doesn’t mean that people who bring up male circumcision in a FGM thread are doing it because only male issues are of interest to them - they might just be people who feel that intellectual consistency has a value. > > But again, I’ve not read those threads, that I can recall. So perhaps you have something which goes beyond the above. Suppose the topic was women’s breast cancer. Do you feel the same compulsion to bring up male prostate cancer? Or, if you insist on sticking to similar anatomical geographies, the far less frequent but no less real occurrence of male breast cancer? Regardless of where you stand on the topic of male circumcision, why is it necessary to offer a male-centric perspective on the subject of what is exclusively a female-centric experience/issue of this caliber with all its baggage (i.e.: FGM)?\* \*and no, this isn’t meant as an opening to re-litigate the topic of circumcision. Intellectual consistency, as you put it, does have value. But so does knowing when to shut the fuck up when that value isn’t being threatened in any way simply by omission because sometimes it’s okay for it not to be about your (generic use of _your_, here) precious sense of self importance. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/248 "2018-06-05T16:45:04Z")
I thought **Manda JO** said this wasn’t about whether the men of the SDMB were culpable, or whether they ought to change. Instead we should be listening to women tell how they experience the SDMB. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/249 "2018-06-05T16:45:21Z")
> [@Delicious](#): > > Are men here treated with or talked about with respect and dignity? This thread is full of counter examples. The point should be that everyone is treated or talked about with respect and dignity, where that is appropriate behavior. This is the Pit, it’s not required here, but it often reveals the true nature of a Doper. Here in the Pit is where I usually lose any respect for a Doper I may have when they reveal their true feelings that they are covering up elsewhere just to avoid getting warned for it. ---
**Author:** ![Delicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@Delicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Delicious)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/250 "2018-06-05T16:48:55Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > The point should be that everyone is treated or talked about with respect and dignity, where that is appropriate behavior. This is the Pit, it’s not required here, but it often reveals the true nature of a Doper. Here in the Pit is where I usually lose any respect for a Doper I may have when they reveal their true feelings that they are covering up elsewhere just to avoid getting warned for it. Have you read any political threads on this board? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/251 "2018-06-05T16:49:29Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Do you really have the right to tell women how they should feel or what they should endure because, well…you know what’s best for them? I’m not telling anyone how they should feel. Each person’s feeling and experiences are individual. People can feel how they wish. I am saying that I don’t like the Heckler’s Veto and I don’t like people who claim offense thinking they have the right to,remove everything they claim is offensive. In Kindergarten or before we used to learn to deal with things we found disagreeable. Now we give college students, supposedly so-called adults, Play-Doh and crayons. Now, I’m not saying there isn’t a disproportionate amount of male centric content. But that’s a \*natural \* function of board populations and one that I don’t find problematic because the \*rational \* solution is simple and obvious. This and it’s nominal predecessor aka the Skald-drama can be summarized as “I don’t like this and neither should you it shouldn’t exist and you are a rotten-bad misogynistic old white male if you think otherwise and if we don’t get our way we’ll leave just you see!.” You folks weren’t pleased with the NSFW tag and are now trying another gambit. C’mon now! ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/252 "2018-06-05T16:49:40Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20998879&postcount=18](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20998879&postcount=18) > > How is “banana” any different than “boobies”? And comments about the size of said banana? That thread was about something called “Penis Pocket Pants”-Lewd comments was all it deserved from any/all posters, male _or_ female. Did you deliberately search for the worst possible example you could find…or was that the _only_ example you could find where women interfered in a thread about men’s clothing? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/253 "2018-06-05T16:51:30Z")
> [@expectopatronum](#): > > What? When did I ever say that? **Skald** ’s fan club, by virtue of declining to answer, not you. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/254 "2018-06-05T16:54:09Z")
I’ve read the whole thread now. I have thoughts, but the first one that comes to mind is that I really appreciate **monstro’s** posts too. There are several posters who regardless of the topic of the thread, if I’ve participated, or not, etc. that if I see their name I will read the post. **monstro** is among that group because I want to know what she has to say. ---
**Author:** ![expectopatronum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/expectopatronum/32/173_2.png) [@expectopatronum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/expectopatronum)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/255 "2018-06-05T16:54:47Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > **Skald** ’s fan club, by virtue of declining to answer, not you. 🙂 Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![fervour](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ce7236/32.png) [@fervour](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fervour)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/256 "2018-06-05T16:55:43Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > I love you too. > > I love so many posters. (OK, maybe “love” is a bit strong ). I feel like I grew up with some of you, I have been posting here so long. It is kind crazy! > . . . > > I don’t come here for “taboo”. Reddit is full of “taboo” so that is where I go when I need my fix. And while I am a fan of Reddit, I don’t want this place to emulate it. I like that this place is not filled with trolls and people just posting “where do babby come from” threads. > . . . . > > Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk (I think I used ellipses correctly) I think that we have the same fears. I was forced out of the closet. I posted. The board support helped me threw a hard time. I’ve always tried to be/do right. But I can’t Darwinize my siblings. To be clear, I have a lot of white privilege. But to exercise it I have to pretend to be something I am not. I DO EXERCISE IT. Damn. The horror. The horror. Jesus! Is that Eastern time? Central time? Pacific time? GMT?-----I wrote this post long ago and don’t know how to post it. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/257 "2018-06-05T16:58:06Z")
Is it just me or has this thread been taken over by a bunch of dudes yelling at each other about how their opinion matters the most? Not one square inch where they don’t yell “Mine!” ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/258 "2018-06-05T17:00:58Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Suppose the topic was women’s breast cancer. Do you feel the same compulsion to bring up male prostate cancer? Or, if you insist on sticking to similar anatomical geographies, the far less frequent but no less real occurrence of male breast cancer? Anatomical geography is irrelevant. What’s relevant is whether it has logical ramifications. That’s what would apply in the case of women’s breast cancer. It would depend on what aspect was being discussed, and many aspects would have no logical ramifications as to male prostate cancer or whatever. But if someone was advocating a principle as applied to women’s breast cancer which was inconsistent with widely accepted principles applies to male prostate cancer or childhood ear infections or whatever else, then it would be appropriate to raise those other issues. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/259 "2018-06-05T17:01:40Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Is it just me or has this thread been taken over by a bunch of dudes yelling at each other about how their opinion matters the most? > > Not one square inch where they don’t yell “Mine!” Sorry about that. Sometimes it is hard to resist the urge to beat down the wild bore. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/260 "2018-06-05T17:05:27Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > I thought **Manda JO** said this wasn’t about whether the men of the SDMB were culpable, or whether they ought to change. Instead we should be listening to women tell how they experience the SDMB. > > Regards, > Shodan We should listen. Why wouldn’t we want to? Then perhaps, after you’ve respectfully listened they will give you the same consideration and listen to your points. This might be a two way street for you. But insinuating they are wrong when you clearly have no idea what they are saying isn’t, well, isn’t really helping is it? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437.md?page=14)