# Male Centrism at the Dope **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 5, 2018, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437 "2018-06-05T00:04:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![elbows](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b3f665/32.png) [@elbows](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elbows)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 10:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/461 "2018-06-06T10:51:38Z")
What’s more telling is the lack of substantial participation from the mods. Oh, an off hand remark or two, tangential at best. But nothing that really adds to the conversation. In my opinion. The silence is deafening. Would it hurt to say, ‘Please know you’ve raised a point that has the mod loop talking.’ But nope, nada. Maybe they think the women can’t hear their silence? I think it’s loud and clear myself. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/462 "2018-06-06T11:17:04Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > What’s more telling is the lack of substantial participation from the mods. Oh, an off hand remark or two, tangential at best. But nothing that really adds to the conversation. In my opinion. > > The silence is deafening. Would it hurt to say, ‘Please know you’ve raised a point that has the mod loop talking.’ But nope, nada. > > Maybe they think the women can’t hear their silence? I think it’s loud and clear myself. Well, this thread was directly addressed to posters, and about our own self-policing, not the moderation. Maybe an ATMB thread would get a better Mod response? ---
**Author:** ![Mijin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mijin/32/9369_2.png) [@Mijin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mijin)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/463 "2018-06-06T12:14:30Z")
(just got here) The Dope is generally a place where just about anything can be discussed reasonably civilly (well…compared to other forums anyway). But gender issues has always seemed to me to be the exception. It always seems to go down badly and I’m not exactly sure why. I’ve just over time learned to avoid those threads, or go in wearing three crash helmets. Whether it’s a thread about men’s or women’s issues, it seems the majority of the responses are either trolls or people looking for something to be offended by. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 12:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/464 "2018-06-06T12:33:19Z")
Seriously. This is flippin’ Pit thread. Pittees and other onlookers who agree and disagree with the Pitting, who are directly involved and those who are not, post, and that is considered “telling” in some way? There _explicitly_ was an op statement that no rule change is requested, just that male posters think more about what they are posting and perhaps voluntarily alter their board personas (self-censor, whatever). That is not a subject for mods to comment on as mods. Mind you if the proposition _was_ that posting polls of Ginger v Marianne/Betty v Veronica/ or even the not recently done Velma v Daphne, or a thread asking for women’s opinions when they are in a place that uses female employees exploitively (scantily clad) or a thread bringing up an article that parodies male writers male character voices describing female characters, are covered under “don’t be jerk”, or that such threads should be verboten, then mod input and ATMB placement would be expected. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/465 "2018-06-06T12:36:34Z")
> [@elbows](#): > > What’s more telling is the lack of substantial participation from the mods. Either you didn’t read the previous thread and the ATMB thread or I don’t know. The last pit thread was reported at least once (by me) asking for moderator assistance in resolving the issue. I don’t know that it was or wasn’t reported by anyone else. I’m not privy to that information and neither are you. The moderators chose not to get involved in the pit thread beyond noting that this isn’t the place for discussion of board moderation. Frankly, I’m not at all surprised that none of the moderators would want to touch this with a 10’ pole when the last pit thread involved bigoted posters proclaiming that ALL of the male moderators were biased against women and none of them could be trusted. Talk about poisoning the well… ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/466 "2018-06-06T12:39:49Z")
Try as I might, I just can’t muster any real self-righteous female outrage. A “Ginger or Mary Ann” type post simply doesn’t upset me. In fact, those kinds of posts make me think, “Were I gay, which one might _I_ prefer?” LoL Is there a smattering of assholes who do occasionally cross the line? Yes, I believe so, but I don’t feel the SDMB is a “board friendly” place for those kinds of people. Despite being openly female, I haven’t been approached or offended or bothered by anyone since I’ve been back and active. If it happens, I’ll simply report it. It appears that this site has a pretty definitive male majority, so it is only natural that it has more of a male flavor. Hey, I’m in elementary education where females significantly outnumber males. It’s a “women’s world” believe me. It’s not an evil plot to oppress men, it’s just the natural result of a definitive female majority. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/467 "2018-06-06T13:27:40Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Really? > > Horseshit. > > Your analogy would describe male posters coming into a thread that was possibly “female-centric” and threadshitting it with misogynistic or minimally juvenile comments. _That sort of behavior should be modded_, no doubt, and the fact that such was ever or is ever tolerated is for shame. > > But what the op was describing is a table or two in a large cafeteria (and that is the relative number at every time I’ve looked … or less) in which a few boys are asking each other who they’d like better, Betty or Veronica, and why … and interested in whatever thoughts any girls who feel like joining the conversation have to share … with lots of open seats at many tables, having lots of conversations. Many of which I personally avoid. A few I sit and just listen to. And some that I try to participate in. It’s a big cafeteria. Lots of tables and lots of food stations. But a vegan has little grounds for complaining that others at a different table are eating hot dogs and that such makes them feel unwelcome in the room. > > The fact that there is often a table or two in the cafeteria with those conversations ongoing seems to be objectionable to some. The perceived to be obnoxious boys seem to be being told to mind their manners as there are ladies in the room. That to me seems … archaic. > > Of the posters who post enough that I am fairly sure of their gender I am seeing no shortage of gender diversity here, nor of material that is of interest to all. I’d think there’d be more of an argument to be sensitive to the feelings of Trump supporters, as we have few of them here and we bash _them_ pretty mercilessly. As a board culture we are pretty unwelcoming to evangelicals too. Should we think more before we post things that may be read as unwelcoming to them, for the sake of diversity? > > Now I get what **Nava** is saying … but that is true for all sorts of threads in which a usual suspect comes in. Are you seeing sexist threadshitting more commonly than other sorts the usual suspect crapping up threads? I am sure that I am less sensitive to that than a woman is so it may be more than I perceive … but the op was about threads titled as a “male-centric” subject, not that. The op’s examples were not “hurr hurr tits hurr hurr” but things like a thread discussing an article parodying how male writers (e.g. Roth and Bellows) have their male characters describe female characters. > > As to males should not post in “female-centric” threads … I am an ignorant man and participate here pertly to reduce my ignorance. I shouldn’t ask about things I do not know? What’s _horseshit_ is your stupid insistence on focusing on whether threads are “male-centric” or “female-centric.” Threads don’t have to be either for them to devolve into the kind of “death by a thousand cuts” which drive people away. e.g. a thread discussing a movie which inevitably sees the trogs come in and start talking about their opinions of the appearances of female characters. > [@](#): > > Of the posters who post enough that I am fairly sure of their gender I am seeing no shortage of gender diversity here, nor of material that is of interest to all. I’d think there’d be more of an argument to be sensitive to the feelings of Trump supporters, as we have few of them here and we bash _them_ pretty mercilessly. oh FFS. political beliefs are a _choice_. I can’t believe you’d be daft enough to try to use it as a comparison. ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/468 "2018-06-06T13:30:37Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I reported it because it’s a great idea. My own behavior has changed because of the interventions of some people here. That’s good to hear, because [this](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=809449) struck me at the time as just the sort of objectification that women seem to find obnoxious. Several posters commented on it at the time, so maybe those were part of the intervention you’re referring to. Still, it’s somewhat amusing to see people like yourself and Morgenstern et al, not only repenting from their sins but leading the attack on suspected heretics who may have not yet Seen The Light. Preach it brother! ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/469 "2018-06-06T13:41:29Z")
Chimera, how does it feel to have your wife walk out on you? As a man I mean. You did say she left you because _she_ had mental issues? I’m not seeing that, I’m seeing evidence that you’re the one with the mental issues and maybe she was the one who was right all along. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/470 "2018-06-06T13:44:34Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Chimera, how does it feel to have your wife walk out on you? As a man I mean. You did say she left you because _she_ had mental issues? I’m not seeing that, I’m seeing evidence that you’re the one with the mental issues and maybe she was the one who was right all along. Christ, Morgestern, pit him already if you gotta, or Chimera, pit Morgenstern–I know I can’t be the only one sick of the back-and-forth sniping between y’all. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/471 "2018-06-06T13:53:32Z")
He has me on ignore. I could pit the creation, but he’s too coward to see it. So I’ll just have to point about his mental failings and hope someone quotes it. Thank you for that. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/472 "2018-06-06T13:55:21Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > He has me on ignore. I could pit the creation, but he’s too coward to see it. So I’ll just have to point about his mental failings and hope someone quotes it. Thank you for that. Oh for fuck’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/473 "2018-06-06T14:03:03Z")
Look, you’re another one who stumbled and needed carried half the way. Drop the indignation you retard. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/474 "2018-06-06T14:14:06Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Oh for fuck’s sake. Seconded. ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/475 "2018-06-06T14:17:49Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Chimera, how does it feel to have your wife walk out on you? As a man I mean. You did say she left you because _she_ had mental issues? I’m not seeing that, I’m seeing evidence that you’re the one with the mental issues and maybe she was the one who was right all along. Not cool, man. ---
**Author:** ![Jane\_Elliot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jane_elliot/32/6166_2.png) [@Jane\_Elliot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jane_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/476 "2018-06-06T15:19:59Z")
I feel like this has devolved into two different threads. One is talking about how the board culture can be better and more inclusive, and the other is a bunch of dudes sniping at each other and overshadowing the OP. Maybe the sniping dudes can take it to their own thread? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/477 "2018-06-06T15:23:38Z")
> [@Jane\_Elliot](#): > > I feel like this has devolved into two different threads. One is talking about how the board culture can be better and more inclusive, and the other is a bunch of dudes sniping at each other and overshadowing the OP. Maybe the sniping dudes can take it to their own thread? Good idea. I think Octopus needs his own thread to scream at the clouds. Anyone who wants to help him find his bliss can join him. I’ll throw something together. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/478 "2018-06-06T15:26:36Z")
Gentlemen, you can’t make this all about yourselves… this thread is about male centrism! ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/479 "2018-06-06T15:38:21Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Oh for fuck’s sake. Potty mouth! ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/480 "2018-06-06T15:41:30Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Gentlemen, you can’t make this all about yourselves… this thread is about male centrism! Maybe we can get the admins to create a TREEHOUSE forum. For those times when dudes need to make things all about themselves and No Girls Allowed!! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437.md?page=23) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437.md?page=25)