# Male Centrism at the Dope **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 5, 2018, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437 "2018-06-05T00:04:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/601 "2018-06-07T03:42:31Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Crappy tablet. No worries. Quaalude? ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/602 "2018-06-07T03:57:32Z")
In reference to **expecto’s** super spot on points about how users perceived to be “hawt chix” get a ridiculous amount of attention–if there were any more concise way to pinpoint the older married white cis/het men, that’s how it’s done. Their lives must be so jejune that any gossamer hint of a way to do something naughty and fourth removed sexxay gets them so in a tizzy they simply can’t restrain themselves. I mean, seriously, grow UP. It’s like they say–when you get to the endzone, act like you’ve been there before. Watching putatively grown ass men act that way is endlessly exhausting. Do better, really. ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/603 "2018-06-07T04:05:00Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > In reference to **expecto’s** super spot on points about how users perceived to be “hawt chix” get a ridiculous amount of attention–if there were any more concise way to pinpoint the older married white cis/het men, that’s how it’s done. Their lives must be so jejune that any gossamer hint of a way to do something naughty and fourth removed sexxay gets them so in a tizzy they simply can’t restrain themselves. I mean, seriously, grow UP. It’s like they say–when you get to the endzone, act like you’ve been there before. Watching putatively grown ass men act that way is endlessly exhausting. Do better, really. Very well said!!! ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/604 "2018-06-07T04:13:46Z")
> [@Tee](#): > > Says you. > > /worried see below. > [@expectopatronum](#): > > I’m not arguing against irreverant humor or anything, but I’d like to point out that the board having a “cultural history” of something or other isn’t necessarily a point in favor of whatever that something is. We like to fancy ourselves as being a “smart” message board, and we’ve definitely got smart people here, but we’re just as likely to gravitate towards cheap attention getting gimmicks (read: hot girls, boobs) as the rest of the internet. > Like falling for [a super hot](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=15104925&postcount=310) fake quadriplegic troll whose descriptions of herself are so over the top it’s obvious to me this was written by some guy somewhere who had dreamed up his own perfect little quad girl for him to wank to. Seriously, see the quote: > > Gee, wonder why she became so popular in such a short amount of time. And yeah, I know she had plenty of female fans too, but I’m certain the above, as well as “her” frequent discussions of sex contributed. > > How about [Opal](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=684883) , may she rest in peace, who was probably the most iconic poster on this board? She had several public meltdowns fueled by her various disorders and meds being out of whack, and people always defended her and fed her her #1 drug of choice, which was attention. Her threads had more white knights than could probably be counted. She was also pretty, thin, a former stripper, and liked to show herself on webcam, and talked pretty openly about sex. Starting to see more where her rabid fans came from… > How about when **Donna Lange** showed up on the boards and posted almost exclusively about her [breasts?](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=685266) She got a ton of attention too. Starting to see a theme here? > So yeah. Hannieving a history of something and being predictable isn’t necessarily a good thing. The board’s got dnnnriethis forer fcharacter, and as with any character traits, some are flaws. It doesn’t follow the “hot girl” theme, but why frdoes anyone think no one has come out and pitted Skald for the recent kerfuffle? Because we all knew exactly how it would go, and frankly after so many threads of what I can only describe as [Misogyny-gate](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=688043) , the sequel, none of us had the energy left to fight off Skald’s fan club. Although, seeing his reputation here take a bit of a hit has been really satisfying. > > on preview: re: dropzone. I know he’s had some struggles with drinking, so I’m guessing he was drunk when he wrote that. Hope he’s ok. Wrote what? I’ve been sober for this thread. I’ve written off Skald because he’s a creep who can go away, but we knew that. IRL Opal was a RL friend who I miss. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/605 "2018-06-07T04:30:33Z")
It was the weird series of letters that you wrote from your tablet. We were worried about you. Because we’re worriers. We worry. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/606 "2018-06-07T04:32:52Z")
Yeah, that’s me. Love the tolerance. ;( ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/607 "2018-06-07T04:51:28Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Yeah, that’s me. Love the tolerance. ;( Are you getting defensive? Maybe I’m misreading you. But if so, you should realize that the [post people got worried about](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21005638&postcount=589), looks pretty fucked up and I’m pretty tolerant. ---
**Author:** ![Tee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@Tee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tee)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/608 "2018-06-07T05:12:15Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > Crappy tablet. No worries. What, I get worried when I suddenly speak Polish. We’re good though. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/609 "2018-06-07T05:13:14Z")
I mean, didn’t we actually have someone posting as they were having a stroke and shit just kept getting weirder? Something like that, anyway, people do worry. But if it’s just fat fingers on a tablet, good! ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 7:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/610 "2018-06-07T07:02:03Z")
> [@Missy2U](#): > > Very well said!!! Its actually racist because there is no reason to include a racial qualifier and men of all races behave the same. And many if not most women like hawt men. ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 7:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/611 "2018-06-07T07:17:53Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > In reference to **expecto’s** super spot on points about how users perceived to be “hawt chix” get a ridiculous amount of attention–if there were any more concise way to pinpoint the older married white cis/het men, that’s how it’s done. Their lives must be so jejune that any gossamer hint of a way to do something naughty and fourth removed sexxay gets them so in a tizzy they simply can’t restrain themselves. I mean, seriously, grow UP. It’s like they say–when you get to the endzone, act like you’ve been there before. Watching putatively grown ass men act that way is endlessly exhausting. Do better, really. Meanwhile, here’s an opportunity that’s not so readily available in F2F life, a chance to find out what it’s actually _like_ to be a “hawt chick” \* or someone perceived as such. I mean, it’s a conversation you can’t really engage in without it looking like a really bad pickup line in person, but if you’re genuinely curious and interested in understanding the experience and relating to the people as people, you can engage in a conversation of that nature here on the board. To get all drooly and creepazoid on them instead just shows that there was never any interest in them as people. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/612 "2018-06-07T07:24:05Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > Its actually racist because there is no reason to include a racial qualifier and men of all races behave the same. And many if not most women like hawt men. Oh FFS go [educate yourself](http://www.ucalgary.ca/cared/whiteness) for once. You have just as shitty a grasp of racism as you do of sexism. ---
**Author:** ![Jake\_Bullet\_Traffic\_Control](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/3da27b/32.png) [@Jake\_Bullet\_Traffic\_Control](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jake_Bullet_Traffic_Control)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 7:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/613 "2018-06-07T07:34:35Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > In reference to **expecto’s** super spot on points about how users perceived to be “hawt chix” get a ridiculous amount of attention–if there were any more concise way to pinpoint the older married white cis/het men, that’s how it’s done. Their lives must be so jejune that any gossamer hint of a way to do something naughty and fourth removed sexxay gets them so in a tizzy they simply can’t restrain themselves. I mean, seriously, grow UP. It’s like they say–when you get to the endzone, act like you’ve been there before. Watching putatively grown ass men act that way is endlessly exhausting. Do better, really. Pretty sure Skald is black. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 10:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/614 "2018-06-07T10:23:05Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Are you getting defensive? Maybe I’m misreading you. But if so, you should realize that the [post people got worried about](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21005638&postcount=589), looks pretty fucked up and I’m pretty tolerant. Despite the degree I appreciate y’all should be concerned for me, and why, in this case he’s just a dog. > [@Tee](#): > > What, I get worried when I suddenly speak Polish. We’re good though. My earliest memories are in German, so that explains something. ETA: It’s my comfort language, thou I don’t speak it. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 10:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/615 "2018-06-07T10:44:13Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Are you getting defensive? Maybe I’m misreading you. But if so, you should realize that the [post people got worried about](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21005638&postcount=589), looks pretty fucked up and I’m pretty tolerant. I was talking about my dogs. In many places I’ve connected the evolution of my human brain with that of my stupid dogs. They can’t capitalize. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/616 "2018-06-07T10:48:42Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > I mean, didn’t we actually have someone posting as they were having a stroke and shit just kept getting weirder? Something like that, anyway, people do worry. But if it’s just fat fingers on a tablet, good! And, mein Gott im Himmel, THIS THREAD ISN’T ABOUT ME!!! ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/617 "2018-06-07T12:21:26Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > Not trying to prove a point, trying to find out, as best as possible given the limitations of the tools we have, what the reality actually is, rather than what my impression is, or what other posters impressions are. Just because roughly half of the posters who stand out in my mind are female does not mean that such is reality. … And as to that. Current poll and a different recent one that **Bone** pointed me too (should have searched) both show recent numbers 28ish% female, and about 70 to 72% male. Older threads that CarnalK was kind enough to point me too from 8ish years ago ([https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...lts&pollid=483](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...lts&pollid=483) and [https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...ults&pollid=44](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...ults&pollid=44)) showed 35 to 41% female (one with various options) and male of about 57%. The position that this board’s population is becoming more male dominated is supported by this data. As to thoughts that this sort of polling data is not really accurate - it may not be but its flaws (biased sampled to those who respond to IMHO polls that may not reflect the population as a whole) apply equally 8 years ago and today. It may not be a perfect representation of the actual percentages but I think we can use it to conclude something real about trending. So yes, actual data is that there are relatively fewer regular female posters now than there were 8 years ago from 38 +/-3% eight years ago to about 28% now. That is significant as a trend. Bottomline to others in this thread who like me who just were not seeing it - we are wrong. Given that information my position flips. And now I ask: what more than “think before posting” as an individual male can I do to help alter that trend, and is there a role for more active moderation on gratuitous sophomoric postings? (Such was not requested in the op.) ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/618 "2018-06-07T12:24:04Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I was talking about my dogs. In many places I’ve connected the evolution of my human brain with that of my stupid dogs. They can’t capitalize. 😉 My dogs have always capitalized … on my leaving food on the table where they can reach it at least. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/619 "2018-06-07T12:29:17Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > is there a role for more active moderation on gratuitous sophomoric postings? (Such was not requested in the op.) Again - that’s a question that is only going to get answered in ATMB, so why not ask it there? ---
**Author:** ![Fotheringay-Phipps](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/d9b06d/32.png) [@Fotheringay-Phipps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fotheringay-Phipps)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/620 "2018-06-07T12:30:17Z")
> [@DSeid](#): > > So yes, actual data is that there are relatively fewer regular female posters now than there were 8 years ago from 38 +/-3% eight years ago to about 28% now. That is significant as a trend. > > Bottomline to others in this thread who like me who just were not seeing it - we are wrong. > Given that information my position flips. And now I ask: what more than “think before posting” as an individual male can I do to help alter that trend, and is there a role for more active moderation on gratuitous sophomoric postings? (Such was not requested in the op.) It does not follow that the decline in female membership is the result of “gratuitous sophomoric postings” or anything else being discussed in this thread. As noted earlier, the level of gratuitous sophomoric postings was higher back when female membership was higher, not lower. The board has changed in other ways, though, per many observers. In particular, membership as a whole has declined, and political partisanship may have increased. These have impacted the dynamic of the board and it’s possible that the board is less appealing to female posters for this reason. [Of that’s not to speak of any individual female poster, let alone the specific ones posting in this thread.] [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437.md?page=30) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437.md?page=32)