# Male Centrism at the Dope **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 5, 2018, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437 "2018-06-05T00:04:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/61 "2018-06-05T03:00:41Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Oh my! An epic burn. :eek: > > But even if your oh-so-clever insult was true, it’s not hard to be aware of basic facts, biological or otherwise. Such as, regardless of your tiresome clinging to a few of these gals, you still aren’t getting laid. Really, ask your kids who their father really is? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/62 "2018-06-05T03:00:57Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > No, you do get it. The idea is that at a certain tipping point, a lot of women won’t bother to stay here. Their loss. This is a board for adults. It includes plenty of material offensive to all sorts of people. This thread is a continuation of a the call for censorship. I am certainly guilty of telling sexist jokes in the wrong context. Guilty of not knowing my audience because I didn’t intend to offend, not guilty of misogyny though. I have stood up for the rights of all people all my life. My mother, loony as she was, was a feminist, and even my narrow minded rigid father supported her. My wife is a feminist as well and she’d put your own sexist assumptions in their place if she cared to engage in this kind of nonsense. Men are different from women, most people notice that at a very early age. If you don’t like the fact that men more readily express their lust for women in our culture then go cloister yourself somewhere instead of trying to silence us. You’d probably be happy in Iran. If men are not treating women equally in their rights I’ll stand against them. But real feminists have fought against special rules for women and censorship over the years because that is the way they were denied their rights. If you want to go back in time just continue along this path. If you want progress then stop lumping all men in with the pool of disgusting people who do not believe in equality, and stop judging men for expressing their natural sexuality in a way that does not bother emotionally mature women by it’s mere existence. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/63 "2018-06-05T03:06:56Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I’m not sure that covers all of it. As octopus correctly points out, sex is a natural, biological function. So is defecation. If MPSIMS had lots of posters who regularly posted about bowel issues–several threads on the front page about which tissues worked best for wiping, how to handle unexpected bathroom emergencies, which foods led to the most solid stool, funny stories about sharting, whether enemas worked, describe your latest enema, which enema brands are best, and so on and so on–I gotta say, after awhile I’d get tired of it. I mean, sure, it’s a natural function, but the details of other folks’ poop doesn’t really do a lot for me, and every time I see mention of other folks’ poop it’s a tiny little blecch for me. > > We do have bowel threads. But not anywhere near the quantity that we have threads about the hawtness of wimmin. And it sounds to me like it’s the quantity, not any individual thread, that’s irking folks. > > If we had a dozen new active threads a day about bowel issues, I’d think that the board needed less conversation about bowel issues. I wouldn’t think that problem would be just simply solved by my starting more threads. > > Of course it’s not a perfect analogy–but if you criticize it, I hope you’ll focus on criticizing relevant aspects, not irrelevant aspects. That is a good point but the intricacies of mate selection, being mate worthy, dating, etc are an order of magnitude or more greater than pinching a loaf. Tv shows, movies, magazines, songs deal with relationships vastly more than pooping. Why’s that? Because for most people there is no trouble or mystery to sitting on a toilet or squatting over a hole and taking care of business. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/64 "2018-06-05T03:07:47Z")
> [@kayT](#): > > We have been having this conversation about the SDMB being male-dominated, anti-women, what-have-you for years. YEARS. I wish we could talk about something more interesting. The fucking world tends to be male dominated but so what. It ain’t gonna change because we keep on talking about it. We women just go on about our business and it changes because of that. I disagree. Things change because we keep the focus on them, not because we ignore them. > [@Missy2U](#): > > Seeing as how you’re showing all of us what a perfect fit you’d be as their poster child, I doubt she’s wounded. 🙂 Nope. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/65 "2018-06-05T03:08:36Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Really, ask your kids who their father really is? You mean ask my wife. You really are retarded if you don’t know who to direct the question to. :smack: Man, what’s the world coming to when I have to fix your insults? ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/66 "2018-06-05T03:11:20Z")
Your kids know. They wondered why they weren’t dragging their knuckles when they walked. We had to tell them. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/67 "2018-06-05T03:11:29Z")
> [@missy2u](#): > > or you find them whining about why they can’t find a woman who will date 'em. Eet eez eendeeed a meeestairy, a pozzlementz for ze ages how such a sing could be!!! Quel dommage! Zut alors! ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/68 "2018-06-05T03:13:07Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > Your kids know. They wondered why they weren’t dragging their knuckles when they walked. We had to tell them. You calling me an ape?!?!? :mad: Where’s the SJW’s when I need them? ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/69 "2018-06-05T03:14:58Z")
> [@Terminus\_Est](#): > > I resent my Westworld poll being lumped in with the others. > > The two women in my poll are revolutionary leaders. They are not necessarily in opposition to each other but their approaches to rebellion are wildly different. Discussion in the thread by those who’ve watched the show have focused on their traits as generals, not on their sex appeal. I don’t think their sex appeal was even mentioned. You could try to have sex with them, but they’ve moved so far beyond such mundane concerns that they’d probably just kill you out of hand. > > I guess I could have included Bernard in my Westworld poll, but he’s not the one running a revolution. Not yet, anyway. Post 11 - I said that > [@](#): > > You are correct, sort of. In one sense, the polls look like just a balance question. On the other hand, men are asking other men to rank women on their suitability as a mate. At a base level, that seems inappropriate. The only one where that might not be the case is the Westworld one. From the OP it wasn’t entirely clear which aspect (leader or hawt) you were going for. I will gladly remove you from the list. The leader question is the more interesting IMO anyway (also - Maeve!). ---
**Author:** ![expectopatronum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/expectopatronum/32/173_2.png) [@expectopatronum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/expectopatronum)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/70 "2018-06-05T03:17:20Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > If you want progress then stop lumping all men in with the pool of disgusting people who do not believe in equality, and stop judging men for expressing their natural sexuality in a way that does not bother emotionally mature women by it’s mere existence. It’s hard to do that when dipshits like you keep railing at us for being overly sensitive and try to make yourselves, or men in general, the wronged party. By whining about censorship against blatantly misogynist posts, you are being one of the disgusting ones. You are part of the problem. Are you proud of yourself? ---
**Author:** ![Penfeather](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/penfeather/32/384_2.png) [@Penfeather](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Penfeather)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/71 "2018-06-05T03:19:54Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Oh my! An epic burn. :eek: > > But even if your oh-so-clever insult was true, it’s not hard to be aware of basic facts, biological or otherwise. Such as, regardless of your tiresome clinging to a few of these gals, you still aren’t getting laid. You know what? It’s not about trying to get laid, it’s trying to show respect and courtesy to half the entire human race by acknowledging that as a 50 year old straight white middle class guy, my own experiences and outlook don’t get to define what’s real and important to other people. Sometimes, you just need to shut up and listen to some other voices for a while. ---
**Author:** ![Oredigger77](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/oredigger77/32/3181_2.png) [@Oredigger77](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oredigger77)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/72 "2018-06-05T03:20:38Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > If we had a dozen new active threads a day about bowel issues, I’d think that the board needed less conversation about bowel issues. I wouldn’t think that problem would be just simply solved by my starting more threads. > > Of course it’s not a perfect analogy–but if you criticize it, I hope you’ll focus on criticizing relevant aspects, not irrelevant aspects. Actually, I think it’s a pretty good analogy. If for no other reason then I wouldn’t be bothered buy 80 rate the dude threads but the poop stuff would bug me. That begging said I disagree with you that packing the offending content off the first page would solve my problem with it. I generally have ~50 threads on the front page of each forum and if I make it half way down before moving on to a different forum I’m having a boring day at work. If the non poop people could keep 25 threads alive with more interest then the poop threads then I would say the board is already lost and even if scat talk was eliminated and the scat people went away the board would still die. I guess my assumption is that there are more people here who want to talk about things other than who’s the hottest so if you talk about those things they will garner more interest and push the other stuff away. Now like I said there are waves and if a poop wave shows up in a week or so I’ll be happy when it ends but if for a couple of seeks it’s poop week on the Dope I get it and I’ll mainly hide in the political end of the Board until it wains. That being said I think starting a pit thread is also a great responce since again it increases the amount of conversation and i would probablh also particpate in a pit thread bitching about the shitty threads. If I’m wrong and there aren’t more people here interested in threads that don’t make people uncomfortable then the management will have to figure out how many of them will leave if they can’t use that topic any more vs how many will leave if the topic sticks around. Over all there is a trend around here to less active members and I don’t think any one wants to accelerate that more then it has too. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/73 "2018-06-05T03:22:14Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You calling me an ape?!?!? :mad: > > … No, I inferred you were a lesser-evolved life form. Leave the apes out of this. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/74 "2018-06-05T03:25:12Z")
Obviously if we had that many poop threads, they’d all be moved to the new Fecal Forum. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/75 "2018-06-05T03:29:21Z")
As the (male) author of one of the threads mentioned by the OP, I concur; It was frustrating when I started a thread asking what women think but 24 out of the 39 people who replied were men. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/76 "2018-06-05T03:29:23Z")
> [@Penfeather](#): > > You know what? It’s not about trying to get laid, it’s trying to show respect and courtesy to half the entire human race by acknowledging that as a 50 year old straight white middle class guy, my own experiences and outlook don’t get to define what’s real and important to other people. Sometimes, you just need to shut up and listen to some other voices for a while. I listen. I’m not compelled to agree with every nuance. One thing I don’t have a problem with is a library, for example, stocking books I’d never read. That’s how I look at Internet forums. Not every thread is for me. Not every post in thread I like is for me. It’s ok for non-interesting or offensive content to exist. This narcissistic need for everything to be catered to one or not offend one strikes me as immature, counterproductive, and unrealistic. I’m more annoyed with every thread seemingly needing to work President Trump into. That’s where things are really disproportionate and borderline spammy. Age old questions of Wilma or Betty are rare in comparison. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/77 "2018-06-05T03:31:27Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > No, I inferred you were a lesser-evolved life form. Leave the apes out of this. You must be drinking. Don’t you mean implied? C’mon man. Where is the exasperated Smilie? We need more smilies. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/78 "2018-06-05T03:32:44Z")
Sunny you have more energy than I do. Whether it’s the guys telling us it’s emotionally mature to ignore things, rather than discuss them, or the guys implying the only reason a guy would come to a woman’s defense in these matters is to get laid, I just can’t anymore. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/79 "2018-06-05T03:34:00Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > No, you do get it. The idea is that at a certain tipping point, a lot of women won’t bother to stay here. Again, \*thousands \*of threads here, most of us are interested in only a smallish fraction of the threads available to read. There are lots of tables having lots of different conversations and you are free to sit or not sit at any of them. There are tables with political discussions going on, religious ones, silly ones, ones about a variety of shows, about different sorts of foods, about philosophy, about pets, about losses and about victories. There are those who get support here and there are jerks who are assholes and differing thoughts about who is the jerk. Anyone, male or female, cannot find a table here that has a conversation of some interest, is probably not a good fit for this board. Looking at GD now … not a single “male-centric” thread on the whole first page. Very few on all of IMHO’s first page. If the threads the op cites were hate speech it would be another thing, but being offended by the existence of a Ginger v Marianne thread? As done as that has been through the years I still find some of the female responses interesting. That males almost always say Marianne is old hat. **Terminus Est** I apologize for having sullied your Maeve v Dolores thread by including in my response a Ginger v Marianne level answer (I just have a crush on Maeve) as well as the which general I’d be wanting to serve under level response. But mine I think was the only one who did not exclusively respond to them as leaders. ---
**Author:** ![Missy2U](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3bc359/32.png) [@Missy2U](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Missy2U)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/80 "2018-06-05T03:34:08Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That is a good point but the intricacies of mate selection, being mate worthy, dating, etc are an order of magnitude or more greater than pinching a loaf. Tv shows, movies, magazines, songs deal with relationships vastly more than pooping. Why’s that? Because for most people there is no trouble or mystery to sitting on a toilet or squatting over a hole and taking care of business. Quit being disingenuous. You know good and damned well we aren’t talking about threads like that. Unless YOU find guidance and answers in threads about rape, porn actresses, masturbation, what woman is hotter, etc. If that’s where you’re getting your answers to those serious questions about mate selection, dating et. al, then the problem isn’t us. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437.md?page=5)