# Male Centrism at the Dope **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 5, 2018, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437 "2018-06-05T00:04:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/81 "2018-06-05T03:34:17Z")
> [@expectopatronum](#): > > It’s hard to do that when dipshits like you keep railing at us for being overly sensitive and try to make yourselves, or men in general, the wronged party. By whining about censorship against blatantly misogynist posts, you are being one of the disgusting ones. You are part of the problem. Are you proud of yourself? You are full of shit. I don’t do those things. You are labeling anyone who disagrees with you as misogynist because you have no rational argument on your side and can contribute nothing except hate speech. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/82 "2018-06-05T03:35:48Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Right…except we can’t carry the bar analogy too far. The existing members are what generate the content and draw people to this place. Right. And a bunch of jagoffs are driving them away because gosh darnit, we just can’t help ourselves! Who cares if our behavior offends half the board? That’d be censorship – can’t have that! :rolleyes: (For example: how hard did we have to fight to get a rule so guys would stop coming into serious discussions women were having and say things like, “hey, I’ll help fit you for a bra baby!” Or, “oh, can we see some pictures?” Ugh!) ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/83 "2018-06-05T03:36:42Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > As the (male) author of one of the threads mentioned by the OP, I concur; It was frustrating when I started a thread asking what women think but 24 out of the 39 people who replied were men. Have to admit those bug me too. ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/84 "2018-06-05T03:40:19Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You must be drinking. Don’t you mean implied? C’mon man. Where is the exasperated Smilie? We need more smilies. > > ������ I inferred, from your incessant misogyny, that you were less than a man. Male maybe, but you are no man. Men are intelligent enough to be concerned about what’s right more so than who’s right. You’re too afraid of loosing to play fair on a even field in this. You’re not the only one either. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/85 "2018-06-05T03:41:07Z")
> [@Missy2U](#): > > Quit being disingenuous. You know good and damned well we aren’t talking about threads like that. > > Unless YOU find guidance and answers in threads about rape, porn actresses, masturbation, what woman is hotter, etc. If that’s where you’re getting your answers to those serious questions about mate selection, dating et. al, then the problem isn’t us. The relative quantity not quality is what I was octopus-splaining. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/86 "2018-06-05T03:45:01Z")
I agree with the OP re: the male-centrism of the SDMB and it’s something I complained about [nine years ago](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=11078491#post11078491) in a thread about the “horribleness” of American Girl dolls. Feminine views of cultural norms, material desirability, and manners are constantly derided here, many times subconsciously, but done nonetheless. Read the AG thread and ask yourself if a thread deriding something as equally useless and money/timewasting on the male side of the cultural spectrum (eg, superhero movies or football games) would be as one-sided in the responses as the disdain shown there towards mere dolls. (Hint: No.) This thread is a perfect example. The refusal to even _contemplate_ that the OP may have a point by many here, complete with invitations to leave, shows the OP has struck a sore spot. Too many think of the SDMB as their boys club, and it’s just not so. ---
**Author:** ![DSeid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dseid/32/20194_2.png) [@DSeid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DSeid)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/87 "2018-06-05T03:45:12Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > As the (male) author of one of the threads mentioned by the OP, I concur; It was frustrating when I started a thread asking what women think but 24 out of the 39 people who replied were men. Are you more frustrated that fairly few women participated or that men did (reacting to the discussion with responses to things said, or asking questions, or offering a different opinion on the food quality at Hooters)? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/88 "2018-06-05T03:46:07Z")
Would it be okay to let **Cesario** and **Stage Manager** back in as long as they limit themselves to _hypothetical_ child porn? ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/89 "2018-06-05T03:46:37Z")
It is very easy to see who has an argument based on just principles here. If it matters to you whether or not you are addressing a person of specific gender then it isn’t you and you are a sexist. I don’t care what anyone’s gender is. Censorship and unequal treatment based on gender is wrong no matter who thinks so. ---
**Author:** ![Terminus\_Est](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/terminus_est/32/3087_2.png) [@Terminus\_Est](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terminus_Est)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/90 "2018-06-05T03:55:26Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > From the OP it wasn’t entirely clear which aspect (leader or hawt) you were going for. I will gladly remove you from the list. The leader question is the more interesting IMO anyway (also - Maeve!). > [@DSeid](#): > > **Terminus Est** I apologize for having sullied your Maeve v Dolores thread by including in my response a Ginger v Marianne level answer (I just have a crush on Maeve) as well as the which general I’d be wanting to serve under level response. But mine I think was the only one who did not exclusively respond to them as leaders. I can’t really blame either of you as I deliberately didn’t include any hints as to what I was going for, so respondents could make of it what they would. (Also, go Team Maeve!) ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/91 "2018-06-05T03:55:41Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > It is very easy to see who has an argument based on just principles here. If it matters to you whether or not you are addressing a person of specific gender then it isn’t you and you are a sexist. I don’t care what anyone’s gender is. Censorship and unequal treatment based on gender is wrong no matter who thinks so. What was unequal about it? Nothing has changed. No one lost any money. No kittens have been harmed. This is a handful of people trying to get a handful of people to see that some posts might be both offensive and bad for board traffic. Instead of listening to what’s being said, you’ve immediately dismissed their point as some sort of anti-male agenda designed to punish men. Just listen for a bit. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/92 "2018-06-05T03:59:21Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > I inferred, from your incessant misogyny, that you were a less than a man. Male maybe, but you are no man. Men are intelligent enough to be concerned about what’s right more so than who’s right. You’re too afraid of loosing to play fair on a even field in this. You’re not the only one either. One, not automatically agreeing with everything a random woman or three says doesn’t make one a misogynist. You are using that word improperly and as cudgel to silence a differing viewpoint. And what am I afraid of losing? A discussion on a message board? I’m not afraid of that one bit. If I’m wrong I’m wrong. But since this is a matter of subjective taste no party in this discussion can be proven to be wrong or right. The problem, Morgenstern, is that one party wants to dictate to every other party how to communicate. But none of us have that power. All of us here have different tastes and interests. You and a few others aren’t content to have a place where you can post content you enjoy and is tailored to you. You want to prevent others from enjoying the same rights you have because they exercise their rights differently. You and a few others don’t even mind flouting the rules and being offensive. As long as the terms of rules flouting and offensiveness follow what your cadre consider acceptable. Heaven forbid, someone runs afoul of your subjective standard of decorum though. You all are intellectually dishonest, trouble making hypocrites. And you should feel bad. Now if I see a thread title Women Shouldn’t be in the Workplace. I’ll agree that’s misogynistic. If I see a thread that says Gay People Shouldn’t Have Any Cake, then I’ll criticize that as homophobic. If I see a thread because people are whining that there is a Gal Gadot vs Linda Carter thread but no Henry Cavill vs Christopher Reeves thread, well, I’ll point out the obvious solution and not feel misogynistic at all for octopus-splaining the proper way to correct that cosmic injustice. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/93 "2018-06-05T04:02:14Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > It is very easy to see who has an argument based on just principles here. If it matters to you whether or not you are addressing a person of specific gender then it isn’t you and you are a sexist. I don’t care what anyone’s gender is. Censorship and unequal treatment based on gender is wrong no matter who thinks so. Asking people not to act like dicks =! censorship ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/94 "2018-06-05T04:03:45Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Sunny you have more energy than I do. Whether it’s the guys telling us it’s emotionally mature to ignore things, rather than discuss them, or the guys implying the only reason a guy would come to a woman’s defense in these matters is to get laid, I just can’t anymore. Or the usual suspects just shitting up the thread. ( **scumpup, ocky, Morgy** ) I’m gonna have to put them on ignore so I can just read responses from the rational posters. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/95 "2018-06-05T04:05:39Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > You calling me an ape?!?!? :mad: > > Where’s the SJW’s when I need them? You fling shit around enough to quite possibly be one. Quick, for the “SJW” crowd’s knowledge, so they know how to defend you - is your skin color naturally darker than milk? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/96 "2018-06-05T04:10:40Z")
> [@Chisquirrel](#): > > You fling shit around enough to quite possibly be one. > > Quick, for the “SJW” crowd’s knowledge, so they know how to defend you - is your skin color naturally darker than milk? I tan quite dark. Beaver brown! [Shades of brown - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shades_of_brown#/media/File%3AAmerican_Beaver.jpg) But I’d prefer to not get melanoma. Even in a relatively pale state I’m still darker than milk. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/97 "2018-06-05T04:11:34Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > What was unequal about it? Nothing has changed. No one lost any money. No kittens have been harmed. This is a handful of people trying to get a handful of people to see that some posts might be both offensive and bad for board traffic. > > Instead of listening to what’s being said, you’ve immediately dismissed their point as some sort of anti-male agenda designed to punish men. > > Just listen for a bit. I have listened you fool. I think that NSFW type content should be clearly labeled. I don’t think that anyone should be allowed to threadshit with offensive sexist of anything-ist material and regret times I have done that. I don’t want women or anyone else to be uncomfortable on this board. But censoring content that is allowable under board rules is not an answer. I dismiss the points of people who are clearly sexist in their reasoning or just plain idiot hypocrites who want special rules for special classes of people based simply on what they find offensive. I’m waiting for someone to offer solutions instead of criticism and complaints. And look at what happens here, there is supposed to be something wrong with a Ginger vs. Maryanne thread. Look at the results of those threads, in the responses as in real life men overwhelming prefer Maryanne because even though they consider Ginger to be ‘hotter’ they think she is a selfish unkind person and Maryanne is a nice person who cares about other people. Perhaps men tend to express this view in a way that is different from women but that if that is what makes a difference then it places superficiality over substance, and I have no interest in validating that kind of reasoning. I don’t claim to have read every post on the Dope, but you can look at my post count and I’ll tell you that I have read many more posts for each one than I have posted. Only once in over 10 years have I seen a woman complain about the open culturally acceptable meme that men are clueless idiots who couldn’t stay alive without a woman solving all their problems. I wish I could remember who that was. I don’t care that men are portrayed that way, it’s only meant to be a joke, but you can’t say you believe in equality of it’s a kind of humor only acceptable when the gender roles are portrayed in one direction. If I could do something constructive to make the board a more comfortable place for women or anyone else who feels that the board is hostile towards them then I would. I will not participate in destructive means towards that end though. If you have any constructive suggestions then please make them instead of the dishonest characterization of my posts. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/98 "2018-06-05T04:15:55Z")
I’m not sure why anyone would think that Morgenstern is genuinely defending them or helping their side. **He’s just a troll.** 99% or more of his posts are just shitting all over other people. Sure, there are brief moments of clarity when he dials it back, but then the anger and rage kick back in and he begins throwing feces again. I’ve got him on ignore now. If he’s chosen to target you too, then I suggest doing the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/99 "2018-06-05T04:30:17Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#): > > To be clear, I didn’t ask for censorship. I asked people to think about what they were posting. > > I shared the list so that people understood more clearly why women are saying that the Dope is not friendly to women. I haven’t reviewed your links, but this SWM applauds your starting this conversation. As I see it we’re here to make jokes, fight ignorance, and maybe form a loose community. If women feel constantly dinged around here, I for one would like to know about it. Kudos for making your case and backing it up with evidence. Not saying I sign up for the _opinions_ in the OP, but that’s a separate matter. Seriously though, good job. ---
**Author:** ![keturah](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e95f7d/32.png) [@keturah](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/keturah)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2018, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437/100 "2018-06-05T04:39:53Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > Oh, Princess, you never disappoint… Awww, cute! In a thread about male dominated discourse you choose to use a female title as an insult. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-centrism-at-the-dope/815437.md?page=6)