# Male surplus in USA, real reason Trump won **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2016, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406 "2016-11-19T05:33:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![OriginalGangster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@OriginalGangster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OriginalGangster)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/1 "2016-11-19T05:33:44Z")
There’s way more men in America (besides senior citizen population) & the electoral college allowed this to be highlighted. Trump won because of men. Most men, besides LGBTQ or social justice types voted for Trump. The women who voted in the large blue states found their vote irrelevant because of the electoral college, but they also catapulted the popular vote where it currently stands. The democrat-but-not-progressive states in the rust belt easily went red because of the men who showed up, and not enough democrat women there like California to offset their vote. The alt-right is basically nothing more than a collection of America’s surplus of men who are single & not LGBT. Found this article reading what used to be an alt-right site. The writer cites at the very end before Trump was even a serious candidate what the alt-right has secretly been hoping for all along & the real reasons for it, opposed to lowering taxes, deporting illegals, building the wall, [https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-49704.html](https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-49704.html) They view Trump as the ultimate playboy. Since Trump likes foreign women & he’s anti-illegal immigration, they thought he would deport men & import women. In the process, since Guru Trump is so pro-straight men, they thought he would legalize prostitution, and kick off some national health initiative to get American women back in shape. In short, if the majority of illegals were attractive women (of any race) the alt-right WOULD NOT CARE. They would also be in favor of importing foreign women who are in shape, even if they don’t admit this. Having lived overseas & in the US, this article is very interesting. There definitely is a lot of aggression in the US, even before Trump ran. ---
**Author:** ![eulalia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eulalia/32/457_2.png) [@eulalia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eulalia)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/2 "2016-11-19T05:39:43Z")
Roosh V is an ass and so are you. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/3 "2016-11-19T06:05:51Z")
Is Earth your first planet? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/4 "2016-11-19T06:12:37Z")
I really challenge the math here. Show us the stats on how many non-senior men voted, vs. women voters. ---
**Author:** ![jasnooks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f4b2a3/32.png) [@jasnooks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jasnooks)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/5 "2016-11-19T06:35:12Z")
Trump won because we voted him in ---
**Author:** ![OriginalGangster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@OriginalGangster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OriginalGangster)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/6 "2016-11-19T06:35:48Z")
I’m very pro-LGBTQ & while I preferred Sanders, I believe in the popular vote since I don’t think simple logic & mathematics should be challenged. What is obvious is that these alt-right men have felt neglected by a pro-LGBTQ lobby & the current wave of feminism that basically wants them tossed into the loony bin simply for being straight. There’s no other reason for the alt-right to have such an outpour of support for Trump, he is supposed to be their savior. Although, it may end up being a pyrrhic victory, since it’s still unclear as to if the electoral college will even pick Trump. Not going to look for the data that shows more men voted for Trump where it mattered. That’s like looking for the moon on a clear night. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/7 "2016-11-19T06:37:15Z")
I have a theory that **OriginalGangster** and **truthSeeker2** are the same poster trolling us. ---
**Author:** ![OriginalGangster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@OriginalGangster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OriginalGangster)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/8 "2016-11-19T06:46:40Z")
The DNC should have thought about that more & gone with Bernie (the prevent the right from winning where it matters). The straight men of middle, south, & rust belt America viewed Clinton as only pro-LGBTQ & feminism. As everyone knows, the popular vote doesn’t matter, or maybe it does. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/9 "2016-11-19T06:57:41Z")
Let it go. ---
**Author:** ![OriginalGangster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@OriginalGangster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OriginalGangster)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/10 "2016-11-19T07:07:15Z")
It’s interesting they never thought of this possibility. Those “swing states” states that flipped for Trump did so for the reason that the majority of the men voted Trump & there weren’t enough “liberals” to begin with to offset them the way there are in CA or NY. Essentially, most non-LGBTQ men (still the majority of American men) simply weren’t going to vote for Clinton. The voters in the coastal blue states could have made the popular vote so that Clinton was up by a billion. And it’s irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/11 "2016-11-19T07:07:22Z")
Wait, so you’re telling me the elites _didn’t_ rig the election like a pro wrestling match, like you said two threads ago, and that George Soros _isn’t_ planning a “Purple Revolution” like you said in the other thread? How many mutually contradictory OPs are you planning on starting? ---
**Author:** ![OriginalGangster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@OriginalGangster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OriginalGangster)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/12 "2016-11-19T07:15:14Z")
I think I was reading too much infowars & now am looking for rational explanations. Assuming the popular/electoral split really happened how it did (it does seem rather odd), this is obviously why. ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/13 "2016-11-19T07:33:08Z")
> [@OriginalGangster](#): > > There’s way more men in America (besides senior citizen population) & the electoral college allowed this to be highlighted. What is the cause of this excess male population? Has American been aborting female babies like China? ---
**Author:** ![OriginalGangster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@OriginalGangster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OriginalGangster)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/14 "2016-11-19T07:47:23Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > What is the cause of this excess male population? Has American been aborting female babies like China? Not sure, most likely birth ratio (more boys are born than girls) & immigration, whether legal or illegal has always meant more men. There are only more women because women outlive men. Having lived overseas & currently in the US, there’s definitely unnecessary aggression in the US which I do believe is correlated to this unbalanced ratio. In some countries in Europe & South America, I actually felt safer than the US, & that includes gentrified neighborhoods full of yuppies. Society in the US just doesn’t seem stable, even being a first-world country. I think the alt-right had this pipe dream that Trump was going to put Hooters waitresses at every McDonald’s & Starbucks, or something tantamount to that, lol. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/15 "2016-11-19T07:51:54Z")
> [@OriginalGangster](#): > > There’s way more men in America (besides senior citizen population) Incorrect - among those under 65 years of age, [women outnumber men by **over 1.6 million**.](https://www.census.gov/population/age/data/2012comp.html) (Click on Table 1’s Excel spreadsheet, cells D26 vs. F26.) ---
**Author:** ![OriginalGangster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@OriginalGangster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OriginalGangster)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/16 "2016-11-19T08:08:22Z")
I worded that part wrong (used senior citizen as a blanket term), I was lazy. Should have said 18-54 age bracket via the Jonathan Soma singles map. Not sure how they quantified that data, but they meant in terms of single/not married at the moment. > **[The New, Interactive Singles Map](https://jonathansoma.com/singles/)** > > An interactive map of where to find single men and women across America. NYC has 150,000 more single women, LA has 90,000 extra unmarried men. Pack your bags! Interesting chart, even if those disagree with it since it’s not from the government. Basically, a surplus of single straight men is what allowed Trump to win the electoral college, despite losing the popular vote by a lot. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/17 "2016-11-19T08:18:29Z")
> [@OriginalGangster](#): > > I think I was reading too much infowars & now am looking for rational explanations. > > Assuming the popular/electoral split really happened how it did (it does seem rather odd), this is obviously why. Dude, reading _any_ Infowars is reading too much Infowars. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/18 "2016-11-19T12:50:29Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I have a theory that **OriginalGangster** and **truthSeeker2** are the same poster trolling us. But wouldn’t that make him **DerivativeGangster**? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/19 "2016-11-19T13:49:44Z")
The only unassailable part of your theory— that the alt-right is populated mainly by resentful unfuckable neckbeards— isn’t exactly breaking news. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/20 "2016-11-19T13:52:25Z")
I have this theory. If things were different, then we would get different results. The only reason we got the results we did is that things are the same as they are. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406.md?page=2)