# Male surplus in USA, real reason Trump won **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 19, 2016, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406 "2016-11-19T05:33:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![OriginalGangster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@OriginalGangster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OriginalGangster)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/41 "2016-11-19T20:53:17Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > Generally speaking, hard facts are more believable than even the most sincerely held “I reckon that…” The Trump victory is correlated to America’s surplus of single, straight unmarried men (opposed to single straight unmarried women), most of whom happen to white, since whites are still the majority in the US. If someone wants to believe these men voted for Clinton, that is ok. There may even be some data somewhere out there that says they did, lol. Several polls are known to defy logic these days. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/42 "2016-11-19T21:15:18Z")
> [@OriginalGangster](#): > > The Trump victory is correlated to America’s surplus of single, straight unmarried men (opposed to single straight unmarried women), most of whom happen to white, since whites are still the majority in the US. You know what else is correlated? [The divorce rate and consumption of margarine.](http://twentytwowords.com/funny-graphs-show-correlation-between-completely-unrelated-stats-9-pictures/) ---
**Author:** ![OriginalGangster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@OriginalGangster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OriginalGangster)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/43 "2016-11-19T21:17:27Z")
Ok I understand. Drumpfft won because of LGBT men in those pivotal states. ---
**Author:** ![Hector\_St\_Clare](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b5ac83/32.png) [@Hector\_St\_Clare](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hector_St_Clare)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/44 "2016-11-19T21:29:26Z")
> [@OriginalGangster](#): > > There’s way more men in America (besides senior citizen population) & the electoral college allowed this to be highlighted. Trump won because of men. > > Most men, besides LGBTQ or social justice types voted for Trump. The women who voted in the large blue states found their vote irrelevant because of the electoral college, but they also catapulted the popular vote where it currently stands. > > The democrat-but-not-progressive states in the rust belt easily went red because of the men who showed up, and not enough democrat women there like California to offset their vote. > > The alt-right is basically nothing more than a collection of America’s surplus of men who are single & not LGBT. > > Found this article reading what used to be an alt-right site. The writer cites at the very end before Trump was even a serious candidate what the alt-right has secretly been hoping for all along & the real reasons for it, opposed to lowering taxes, deporting illegals, building the wall, > > [https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-49704.html](https://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-49704.html) > > They view Trump as the ultimate playboy. Since Trump likes foreign women & he’s anti-illegal immigration, they thought he would deport men & import women. In the process, since Guru Trump is so pro-straight men, they thought he would legalize prostitution, and kick off some national health initiative to get American women back in shape. > > In short, if the majority of illegals were attractive women (of any race) the alt-right WOULD NOT CARE. They would also be in favor of importing foreign women who are in shape, even if they don’t admit this. > > Having lived overseas & in the US, this article is very interesting. There definitely is a lot of aggression in the US, even before Trump ran. California is disproportionately male, and the rust belt states key to Trump’s victory are disproportionately female, IIRC. (Women are less willing to move than men, in general, so states that people move away from tend to be more female, and states that people move to tend to be more male). Try again. ---
**Author:** ![OriginalGangster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@OriginalGangster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OriginalGangster)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2016, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/45 "2016-11-19T21:34:51Z")
CA is sort of an exception, given it’s like its own country in many ways. Where else can you blast 90s Warren G & not be looked at like you’re crazy? Anyways, according to table B01001, California is 50.3% female/49.7% male. [https://censusreporter.org/profiles/04000US06-california/](https://censusreporter.org/profiles/04000US06-california/) Can’t seem to find statistics on “legal voter age gender ratio” though, which matters more. You may be right. ---
**Author:** ![DinoR](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dinor/32/2821_2.png) [@DinoR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DinoR)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2016, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/46 "2016-11-20T00:09:08Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > 4 out of 6 get you a passing grade? 😃 4? 4?!? Damn showoffs!!! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ace309](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ace309/32/1050_2.png) [@Ace309](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ace309)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2016, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/47 "2016-11-20T00:20:00Z")
> [@OriginalGangster](#): > > The DNC should have thought about that more & gone with Bernie (the prevent the right from winning where it matters). The straight men of middle, south, & rust belt America viewed Clinton as only pro-LGBTQ & feminism. You know what would have really gotten those rust belt voters on our side? An elderly Jewish socialist. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2016, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/48 "2016-11-20T02:18:48Z")
> [@OriginalGangster](#): > > They view Trump as the ultimate playboy. Since Trump likes foreign women & he’s anti-illegal immigration, they thought he would deport men & import women. In the process, since Guru Trump is so pro-straight men, they thought he would legalize prostitution, and kick off some national health initiative to get American women back in shape. > > In short, if the majority of illegals were attractive women (of any race) the alt-right WOULD NOT CARE. They would also be in favor of importing foreign women who are in shape, even if they don’t admit this So… let me get this straight: Trump supporters are white male heterosexuals unable to convince female heterosexuals to copulate with them. And American women are fat. That is what you’re saying, correct? Also, what men would Trump be deporting? You do realize that American citizens can’t be deported from the US, right? What makes you think Trump would legalize prostitution? Trump doesn’t need whores - he’s a billionaire, even with bad hair and small hands he can get all the pussy he wants. What, exactly, would this initiative to get American women into shape look like? Would women of greater than ideal BMI be shackled to rowing machines and exercise bicycles until they conform to some sort of ideal? Ticketed for extra pounds? Imprisoned for having love handles? And this “importing women” business - sounds a lot like sex trafficking to me. What it comes down to is that you have described Trump supporters as horny, mouth-breathing basement dwellers who feel they should be awarded and given complete control over a hot super-model to nurture their penises and fulfill their sexual fantasies. Rather like those ISIS guys, except the ISIS guys are honest about buying and selling female slaves for carnal purposes. > [@OriginalGangster](#): > > Not sure, most likely birth ratio (more boys are born than girls) & immigration, whether legal or illegal has always meant more men. There are only more women because women outlive men. Since when? The US Census reports 5 million more women than men in the US. Keep in mind that a percentage of singles (both male and female) aren’t heterosexual and that people in homosexuals relationships couldn’t marry at all until recently and a lot of them still aren’t married - but aren’t interested in women, either native or imported, anyway. > [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > Really. I haven’t heard about that “surplus of single straight men.” > > Mostly, single women complain “All the good ones are taken” or “All the good ones are gay.” And a “good one” needn’t be Very Rich & Very Handsome. Has he moved out of Mom’s basement? Does he use good grooming & dress OK? Does he have a brain, a good heart & a sense of humor? > [@John\_Mace](#): > > Is this one of those tests where you have to get them all right, or does 4 out of 6 get you a passing grade? 😃 Pretty much, based on my observations. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > See, right there is where you went off the track. There are more women than men in the United States. > > If you’re going to base an entire theory around a single fact, you should make sure you get that one fact right. ^ This. > [@OriginalGangster](#): > > If more men are born 107:100, that seems impossible. Then factor in illegal immigration. From birth onwards human males are more likely to die than human females. There are more birth defects/genetic disorders linked to being male than being female, some of which, like hemophilia, can kill you even with modern medicine. Boys are more likely to die in accidents. Boys are more likely to die from violence. > [@](#): > > Not sure if the census counts them or not, some sources say yes, others say no. The census claims they’re counted (probably via estimation), but how many illegals are willingly going to meet with the census enumerator, lol. Actually, the census enumerator goes to the people, not vice versa. I can speak with some authority on this, as last census I worked as an enumerator. You are correct, many if not most illegal immigrants are reluctant to speak with a Census employee. Hell, many folks born and raised in the US are reluctant to speak with an enumerator. Yes, an enumerator might estimate numbers in some cases, but that is often based on observation, such as counting the number of people fleeing out the back door of residence when one approaches (yes, really). But sometimes you can, in fact, speak directly with people. I had more than one person say “but I’m not a US citizen!” That’s OK - we’re not interested in your citizenship, mainly we want to know how many people were in the US on such-and-such a date, we don’t care why you are here. We never asked for ID of any sort. We were forbidden to ask questions regarding immigration status. Our raw data was analyzed by people who make profession out of making valid estimations from incomplete data. So - as a census enumerator I never, ever asked anyone “are you an illegal immigrant?” We were, in fact, forbidden to do so. We were under strict orders that, if anyone ever _did_ admit to being here illegally, or we were told they were here illegally, we were not to relay that information to anyone and not to record it. Did I encounter any illegal immigrants while on that job? I’m certain I did - but I don’t know for sure which ones. I might _suspect_ this or that person, but you really can’t tell for sure. I have friends who are proudly citizens of the US who nonetheless were born in Mexico, look Mexican, and have stereotypical heavy accents. I had an acquaintance who we all assumed was a citizen who turned out to be an illegal immigrant from Canada. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I don’t care what seems impossible to you. We’re telling you what actually is true. They take a census every ten years and count how many people there are. In the last census, there was 157,000,000 women and 151,800,000 men. > > _“Reality, meet OriginalGangster. OriginalGangster, this is reality.”_ ^ This. (Proud to have helped with that project in my own small way. Also, decent paycheck, especially for a temporary job.) ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/49 "2016-11-20T02:28:56Z")
I think we’ve someone with less intelligence than **Octopus** and less of a grasp on reality than **John T** (ard). ---
**Author:** ![OriginalGangster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@OriginalGangster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OriginalGangster)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2016, 2:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/50 "2016-11-20T02:59:53Z")
Broomstick, I’m not sure you read the link I included. As for the alt-right/red pill community that worships Trump, I highly doubt all of them are basement dwellers, but a large percent probably are. A lot of the are fat too, it’s not just the women in the US who are overweight. I do see a lot of those points as being true in that link. Especially the amount of options a below average woman has via online dating, whether it be a geolocation app like tinder or the old-school [match.com](http://match.com). I’ve known women who literally gets thousands of messages in a week from in-shape decently attractive men. It doesn’t work that way for men. There’s even a term the alt-right/red-pill community has for them, “orbiters”. I’ve seen this new trend of women taking a screenshot of a conversation in which a man simply mentioned “netflix & chill”. It’s been happening for a while but seems even more common now. What these alt-right guys don’t notice, is that if Clinton won, a lot of women may actually be happier, therefore nicer to them. The entire premise for the alt-right supporting Trump goes back to basic biology. They thought Trump would make it easier for them to meet women & be able to speak their mind instead of being stuck in a PC world where only LGBT men are catered to. Basically, they thought a Trump presidency would take America back to 1950’s America. It had nothing to do with the xenophobia, at least at the inception of the alt-right movement. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2016, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/51 "2016-11-20T03:27:56Z")
> [@OriginalGangster](#): > > Broomstick, I’m not sure you read the link I included. No, I did not - I based my post entirely on what your post said. > [@](#): > > Especially the amount of options a below average woman has via online dating, whether it be a geolocation app like tinder or the old-school [match.com](http://match.com). > > I’ve known women who literally gets thousands of messages in a week from in-shape decently attractive men. It doesn’t work that way for men. There’s even a term the alt-right/red-pill community has for them, “orbiters”. OK, some facts of life for the struggling, heterosexual men who want sex - which is not directed at you, **OriginalGangster** but at these hypothetical Trump supporters who want women imported for their genital amusements. Biology is not fair. In our society at this time women get to pick who they have sex with. In keeping with the vast majority of mammals, when given control over choice of mate females are a LOT more picky than males. Biologically, males want a youthful female with well developed secondary sexual traits (biological markers for fertile and likely to conceive offspring). Females want males with superior genes and/or, in social species, superior resources. Preferably both. Hence why women are more likely to demand that men have jobs prior to dating and marriage and men are less likely to demand the same of women. All the mating ritual stuff, from buying a diamond engagement ring to giving your wife’s family livestock or other valuables demonstrates the man is a “good provider” and able to provide resources to his prospective mate and children. This is why money and power can act as aphrodisiacs: they’re resources. Wealthy, good looking healthy-looking men have no trouble getting pussy. Poor, unemployed, ugly, sickly looking men have a lot of trouble getting pussy. On the other hand, a woman has to be a really bad trainwreck before _no one_ will fuck her. Yes, this is unfair to men. On the other hand, some men simply take what they want and don’t care who they hurt. This is the origin of “Men fear that women will laugh at them. Women fear that men will kill them”. The other problem is the guy who is a less than perfect catch demanding “his” supermodel. Sorry, dude - look, most women don’t wind up marrying a good-looking healthy billionaire (Trump’s wives, for example, had to settle for 2 out of 3). They “settle”, but it’s also a realization on their part that there are no perfect men. Meanwhile, you’ve got sloppy, overweight guys with bad personal hygiene working jobs that require them to say “You want fries with that?” many times a day who won’t settle for less than a supermodel. What’s wrong with this picture? Hell, even if prostitution were legal these guys probably couldn’t afford that level of prostitute. Excuse me, “consort” or whatever euphemism might be employed. On the other hand, if they’d quit with the impossible standards they might actually get laid once in awhile. Stop regarding women as fuck-toys and you might find out that that pudgy, slightly homely looking gal standing next to you at work has some mutual interests, is fun in bed, and wants to get laid, too. > [@](#): > > What these alt-right guys don’t notice, is that if Clinton won, a lot of women may actually be happier, therefore nicer to them. Possible. > [@](#): > > Basically, they thought a Trump presidency would take America back to 1950’s America. It had nothing to do with the xenophobia, at least at the inception of the alt-right movement. 1950’s America wasn’t as great as those young idiots think it was. Most of them would have had just as many problems getting laid back then, if not more so. ---
**Author:** ![OriginalGangster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ea5d25/32.png) [@OriginalGangster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OriginalGangster)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2016, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406/52 "2016-11-20T03:33:24Z")
I’m not disagreeing with you. Let me further explain, one of the core ideologies of the alt-right/red-pill movement (they’re merged at this point) was that straight men are shamed for any complaints regarding the dating market. Immediately called all sorts of names or told they are supremely lame. If a gay man complains about the LGBT dating market, that’s completely acceptable. A gay man can be going to gay bars 5 nights a week, there’s nothing wrong with that. He’s now allowed to himself. Straight man does it, he doesn’t have his life together & is only looking for a quick lay, or is relying on using “game” routines on women which a lot of feminists or the left in general thinks is unethical. A lot of straight men actually do want a good relationship. Everyone knows someone on facebook who likes to give advice (whether good or bad) to appear as some sort of sage or feel enlightened. I noticed one friend of mine would give different advice to straight vs gay men. The straight men, don’t worry about dating, social life isn’t important, just focus on your job, find stability, maybe go back to school so you can get a better job, make some money, that’s all the matters for now. The LGBT-identifying men, move to the gay neighborhood, goto every drag show you can, maybe even dress up yourself, party, do drugs, hook up with everyone you can (any gender including trans), it’s your time. I brought this up to this friend. Immediate anger is the only way to describe it, but they could not disagree since they it was right there. Most people simply don’t notice these things. I’m very pro-LGBTQ myself, but I do think straight men over the past 10 years have been somewhat marginalized & these men showed up in droves at the polls in the right combination of states. Introduce Trump, the ultimate ladies’ man (in their eyes) is now running for President & he’s going to make America great for straight males. That was their narrative before they became the “alt-right”. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-surplus-in-usa-real-reason-trump-won/772406.md?page=2)