# Male violence and insecurity **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 27, 2016, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517 "2016-06-27T13:52:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/21 "2016-06-28T00:24:12Z")
OTOH, thank you, OP, for writing with punctuation and paragraph breaks. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/22 "2016-06-28T03:37:37Z")
Tried reading this while buzzed – didn’t make sense then either. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/23 "2016-06-28T03:52:36Z")
> [@Randolph](#): > > How much is extra pepperoni? He’s obviously compensating for the size of his pepperoni with the length of his posts. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/24 "2016-06-28T03:58:47Z")
It’s like he’s trying too hard to say something profound. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/25 "2016-06-28T04:07:51Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Tried reading this while buzzed – didn’t make sense then either. Welp, there goes \*my \*plan. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 9:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/26 "2016-06-28T09:41:20Z")
> [@Gatopescado](#): > > More like, **Askthepizza_gay_**. :rolleyes: > > 😃 Hey, we don’t want him either. ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 9:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/27 "2016-06-28T09:49:53Z")
If you took all of **ATP** ’s screeds and lined them up back to back, how many times could you go to the moon and back? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/28 "2016-06-28T12:17:16Z")
> [@cochrane](#): > > He’s obviously compensating for the size of his pepperoni with the length of his posts. They’re like enormous, painstakingly crafted pizzas that nobody wants to eat. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/29 "2016-06-28T12:25:08Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > If you took all of **ATP** ’s screeds and lined them up back to back, how many times could you go to the moon and back? If all of **ATPG** ’s screeds were lined up back to back and posted on this message board, I wouldn’t be surprised. ---
**Author:** ![xenophon41](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xenophon41/32/253_2.png) [@xenophon41](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xenophon41)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/30 "2016-06-28T12:30:39Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > If all of **ATPG** ’s screeds were lined up back to back and posted on this message board, I wouldn’t be surprised. Well they’re all posted once by **ATPG** and then 42 additional times by “witty” one line responders. You’d think everything the **'Guy** says bears repeating. ---
**Author:** ![Isosleepy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/isosleepy/32/479_2.png) [@Isosleepy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isosleepy)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/31 "2016-06-28T12:31:01Z")
OP, Do you only make two kinds of pizza? 'Cause your world seems awfully binary. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/32 "2016-06-28T14:59:11Z")
Did someone just beat you up? ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/33 "2016-06-28T15:40:47Z")
I’m a genderqueer person and while I share the belief that male violence is an expression of insecurity, I’m not much into “culprits”. The “system” — whether you call it _patriarchy_ or the _heterosexist binary cissexual empire_ or whatever — is quite real, it’s an institution (and not just a set of generalizations about people’s behavioral patterns) and, as such, it has functions, and appears to have things it “wants”. Social institutions are like that. They construct and maintain social attitudes that contain judgmental and exclusivist hostilities. It’s quite real and quite deplorable and quite unnecessary and it is right and proper to make efforts to end it, to change things for the better. But insofar as it IS, in fact, an institution, the judgmental and exclusivist hostilities are best understood as systemic, not individual and personal. The male-bodied masculine privileged mainstream people are caught up in the system. Their responses have been evoked. Not that they are completely passive puppets helpless to do their own thinking, but they have far fewer reasons to contemplate the system and question it, not with them getting applauded and accoladed to varying extents for the behavior in which they have engaged (definitely including the male violence, definitely including male violence specifically against gay guys, uppity women, sissy guys, trans people, genderqueer folks, etc). As social activism changes the extent to which they get 100% applause, they have more reason to question things. The gay pride march in NYC was watched and even marched in by some cisgender male manly guys who have (or wish they had) girlfriends. Because they thought the Pulse / Orlando violence was despicable and wrong. Culprit theories of oppression are babytalk. Anger is righteous but anger that needs people to hate and blame? uh uh. I have as much reason to resent masculine asshole violent male guys as anyone does, and I’d still prefer not to hang out with them in clusters and/or for extended durations, but I really don’t think they dreamed this mess up one evil day in the neolithic Boys’ Bathroom. ---
**Author:** ![watchwolf49](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e9c0ed/32.png) [@watchwolf49](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/watchwolf49)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/34 "2016-06-28T15:50:55Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > It’s really unnecessary to repeat the entire long post that you are responding to. Damn … nin’ja’ed again … Women have more genetic material than men … their roll in perpetuating the species is far far more important than that of men. It’s the man’s job to stand up and face down the lion pride while the women and children flee, and a lion with a belly-full of man ain’t going to be stalking the women or children. Always best if the man isn’t able to think about that, thus man’s ability to think is selected against. Every Deadhead knows the woman is smarter than the man in every way, and that’s not just the LSD talking either … ---
**Author:** ![edwards\_beard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@edwards\_beard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/edwards_beard)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/35 "2016-06-28T17:03:11Z")
> [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](#): > > Did someone just beat you up? [Yup, on his way to get his passport.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=768907) ---
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/36 "2016-06-28T17:40:09Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > It’s really unn Ok. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2016, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/37 "2016-06-28T22:58:53Z")
Well I for one am totally against male violence and insecurity. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/38 "2016-06-29T00:32:02Z")
> [@Askthepizzaguy](#): > > If you look around the world you live in, it won’t take too long before you observe men in a pointless struggle for dominance in the male hierarchy that exists in their own mind. What, you think you’re _better_ than me?! ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/39 "2016-06-29T00:39:21Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Women have more genetic material than men … their roll in perpetuating the species is far far more important than that of men. It’s the man’s job to stand up and face down the lion pride while the women and children flee, and a lion with a belly-full of man ain’t going to be stalking the women or children. Always best if the man isn’t able to think about that, thus man’s ability to think is selected against. Exactly when and where do you live? And that “roll” you speak of: does that come with butter? ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2016, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517/40 "2016-06-29T01:14:24Z")
> [@watchwolf49](#): > > Damn … nin’ja’ed again … > > Women have more genetic material than men … their roll in perpetuating the species is far far more important than that of men. It’s the man’s job to stand up and face down the lion pride while the women and children flee, and a lion with a belly-full of man ain’t going to be stalking the women or children. Always best if the man isn’t able to think about that, thus man’s ability to think is selected against. > > Every Deadhead knows the woman is smarter than the man in every way, and that’s not just the LSD talking either … I rarely understand you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/male-violence-and-insecurity/758517.md?page=3)