# Malicious Castration

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [January 2, 2007, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404 "2007-01-02T13:41:16Z")\
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**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2007, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/21 "2007-01-02T18:45:45Z")

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[QUOTE=Kythereia]  
I’m a _girl_, and I just crossed my legs and winced. _Damn_.  
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Such pain knows no genders, darlin’.

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**Author:** ![athelas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5e9695/32.png) [@athelas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/athelas)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2007, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/22 "2007-01-02T19:38:38Z")

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And the sad part is, chances are she’ll get off easy.

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**Author:** ![Q.E.D](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/51bf81/32.png) [@Q.E.D](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.E.D)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2007, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/23 "2007-01-02T19:45:46Z")

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[QUOTE=athelas]  
And the sad part is, chances are she’ll get off easy.  
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But _he_ sure won’t.

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**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2007, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/24 "2007-01-02T19:58:59Z")

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I think I heard something about alcohol being a significant factor, big surprise.

I don’t know shit about police codes, but in medicine we often use codes that sound strange without the opposite term being considered, ie theraputic abortion sounds weird for a healthy woman, but the tradition is spontaneous ab for miscarriage, theraputic ab for elective, which may be for choice, or may be for health.

I would imagine that genitals get injured in a lot of fights, but if you went for the stones in the first place, that’s a different matter entirely.

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**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2007, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/25 "2007-01-02T20:08:12Z")

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> Each man faces 18 charges — five counts of **felonious castration without malice** , five counts of felonious conspiracy to commit castration without malice and eight counts of misdemeanor performing medical acts without a license.
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> Bonfoey said the law distinguishes between malicious and non-malicious castration, but that the consent of the castrated makes no difference.
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> “Assuming that the victims consented to this — and we don’t know that for sure yet — that doesn’t make it a defense,” he said. “We can’t have people who are not medical doctors lopping off limbs and other body parts.” [bolding mine]  
> [http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12102319/](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12102319/)

This article doesn’t say what the difference between “malicious” and “non-malicious” is in this context, except that consent is not the issue.

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**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2007, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/26 "2007-01-02T20:14:31Z")

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I’m back. Did you miss me? “Malice aforethought” seems to be the criterion:

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> the North Carolina criminal code defines the offense thusly:
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> > § 14‑28. Malicious castration.
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> > If any person, of malice aforethought, shall unlawfully castrate any other person, or cut off, maim or disfigure any of the privy members of any person, with intent to murder, maim, disfigure, disable or render impotent such person, the person so offending shall be punished as a Class C felon.
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> [90Phut TV Trực Tiếp Bóng Đá - Link xem Trực Tuyến hôm nay](http://bluecrabboulevard.com/2006/12/)

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**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2007, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/27 "2007-01-02T20:16:41Z")

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[QUOTE=CalMeacham]  
My first thought is – _Malicious_ Castration? Do you real;ly need the modifier? Can you imagine anyone being charged with _Friendly_ Castration?  
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I opened a thread several months ago on another similar charge asking the very same question. Of course that thread is gone now. Gone like the balls of a maliciously castrated man.

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**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2007, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/28 "2007-01-02T20:33:43Z")

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Here you go, Otto: [Your post.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=365516&highlight=castration)

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**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2007, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/29 "2007-01-02T21:40:54Z")

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I think Ms Dawson demonstrated malice just in the manner in which she went after his twisticles.

I mean…

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**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2007, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/30 "2007-01-02T23:05:09Z")

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Leaving aside the pain of imagining having genitals ripped off, there’s also the pain of this writing:

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> A woman attacked a man in his genitals during a Christmas party

Is it just me, or does it sound like this guy was dressed in genitals?

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**Author:** ![PoorYorick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ecccb3/32.png) [@PoorYorick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PoorYorick)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2007, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/31 "2007-01-02T23:23:32Z")

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[QUOTE=Shoshana]  
I’m back. Did you miss me? “Malice aforethought” seems to be the criterion:  
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So if you castrate someone _spontaneously_, just on a whim, it’s not malicious?

(Actually, I guess it’s probably to distinguish it from the “Honest, Officer, I was just trying to free his zipper, and all of a sudden he was on the ground, and . . .”)

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**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2007, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/32 "2007-01-02T23:32:34Z")

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[QUOTE=featherlou]  
Leaving aside the pain of imagining having genitals ripped off, there’s also the pain of this writing:

Is it just me, or does it sound like this guy was dressed in genitals?  
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What, is he George Washington?

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**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/33 "2007-01-03T00:30:42Z")

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[QUOTE=Shoshana]  
Here you go, Otto: [Your post.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=365516&highlight=castration)  
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Thanks! Damn balky search engine.

I see that the people in my case were charged with castration _without_ malice.

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**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/34 "2007-01-03T00:48:12Z")

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[QUOTE=featherlou]  
Leaving aside the pain of imagining having genitals ripped off, there’s also the pain of this writing:

Is it just me, or does it sound like this guy was dressed in genitals?  
[/QUOTE]

That’s some scarf and earmuffs…

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**Author:** ![outlierrn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/outlierrn/32/3005_2.png) [@outlierrn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/outlierrn)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/35 "2007-01-03T02:19:30Z")

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[QUOTE=Otto]

I see that the people in my case were charged with castration _without_ malice.  
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i didn’t realize this was such a personal thread for you otto.

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**Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/36 "2007-01-03T15:35:32Z")

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[QUOTE=eleanorigby]  
That’s some scarf and earmuffs…  
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“I didn’t think you were holding a wrinkly purse.” (With thanks to _Corner Gas._)

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**Author:** ![Sunrazor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sunrazor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunrazor)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/37 "2007-01-03T18:33:40Z")

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I think the “malicious” is a criminal/legal term meant to specify that the victim did not want his genitals cut off, maimed or disfigured, and that said cutting, maiming and disfiguring was intended for the specific purpose of causing pain, hurt and degradation, and not for any purpose that served any public or social good. Having covered several state legislatures and city councils over the years, they tend to talk that way.

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**Author:** ![Yeticus\_Rex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/a698b9/32.png) [@Yeticus\_Rex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yeticus_Rex)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/38 "2007-01-03T18:53:55Z")

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[QUOTE=Least Original User Name Ever]  
What, is he George Washington?  
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Bwahahaha.

I mean…ouch.

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**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/39 "2007-01-03T18:57:19Z")

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[QUOTE=Sunrazor]  
I think the “malicious” is a criminal/legal term meant to specify that the victim did not want his genitals cut off, maimed or disfigured, and that said cutting, maiming and disfiguring was intended for the specific purpose of causing pain, hurt and degradation, and not for any purpose that served any public or social good. Having covered several state legislatures and city councils over the years, they tend to talk that way.  
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Per my earlier thread on another SC castration case, the [statute](http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/BySection/Chapter_14/GS_14-28.html) defines “malicious castraction” as:

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> If any person, of malice aforethought, shall unlawfully castrate any other person, or cut off, maim or disfigure any of the privy members of any person, with intent to murder, maim, disfigure, disable or render impotent such person, the person so offending shall be punished as a Class C felon.

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**Author:** ![B.Serum](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/b.serum/32/14266_2.png) [@B.Serum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/B.Serum)\
**Post date:** [January 3, 2007, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/malicious-castration/386404/40 "2007-01-03T19:21:11Z")

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Why do we suppose the victim’s genitals were out and available for attack during a Christmas party?

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