# Mall of America Assault and Incel Crime? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [April 16, 2019, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602 "2019-04-16T00:50:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/21 "2019-04-17T00:19:32Z")
It wouldn’t surprise me either way. Shitty people who do shitty things not infrequently have shitty ideas about a whole bunch of other stuff, including race, gender, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/22 "2019-04-17T00:57:08Z")
> [@Chingon](#): > > What if it was an Asian baby throwing a Jewish lady? Can you imagine the uproar?! What if it was acid glue, throwing Hitler? ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/23 "2019-04-17T01:00:35Z")
ETA: never mind, I see you fixed it in your post Did you by any remote chance intend to title this thread “Mall of America Assault **an** Incel Crime?”? i.e., were you asking whether it should be considered an incel crime? ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/24 "2019-04-17T01:45:58Z")
> [@AHunter3](#): > > ETA: never mind, I see you fixed it in your post > > Did you by any remote chance intend to title this thread “Mall of America Assault **an** Incel Crime?”? i.e., were you asking whether it should be considered an incel crime? Yes, that’s what I had intended to ask. This thread hasn’t exactly gone where I expected, but I’m okay with that. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/25 "2019-04-17T02:01:30Z")
> [@kunilou](#): > > Where were these riots and demonstrations when Dylan Roof walked into a church, murdered nine black people, and wounded three more? Not to remotely co-sign **Urbanredneck** ’s lunatic cite, but wasn’t Charleston the catalyst for all those anti-Confederate flag protests? ---
**Author:** ![LAZombie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b38774/32.png) [@LAZombie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LAZombie)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/26 "2019-04-17T02:38:13Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > Naturally, this is why we are all still so obsessed with the [David Steven Bell case from last January](https://blackamericaweb.com/2019/01/14/white-north-carolina-man-faces-assault-charges-after-punching-young-black-girl-outside-mall/). People should watch that video. That looked like self defense to me. The man was surrounded by a dozen aggressive youths. Are you saying Emmanuel Deshawn Aranda throwing that 5 year old from three stories is comparable? ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 2:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/27 "2019-04-17T02:40:51Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Not to remotely co-sign **Urbanredneck** ’s lunatic cite, but wasn’t Charleston the catalyst for all those anti-Confederate flag protests? [Demonstrations, maybe. Not riots.](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/06/dylann-roof-rampage-3-years-confederate-debate-evolving-180611161531088.html) Of course, since we’re in GD territory, maybe the biggest (certainly the loudest) response to the Columbia shootings was the [Charlottesville rally](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_Right_rally). But I’m pretty sure that’s not the point Jessie Peterson - nor anyone participating in this thread - intended to make. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/28 "2019-04-17T02:51:41Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > Are you saying Emmanuel Deshawn Aranda throwing that 5 year old from three stories is comparable? Of course not. I’m saying that the claim that Americans in general pay more attention to white-on-black crime than to black-on-white crime is absurd. For example, did you ever even hear about [this white man shooting this black 8-year-old boy back in 2013](https://newsone.com/2712306/donald-maiden-jr-dallas/)? > [@](#): > > White Man Cuffed For Shooting Black Child, 8, In The Face > > A 46-year-old man has been arrested after he allegedly shot an 8-year-old boy in the face as he was playing in an apartment complex, CBS Dallas/Fort Worth reports. […] > > Local police arrested Brian Cloninger in connection with the shooting. He has been charged with injury to a child, and sits behind bars with a $2.2 million bond. There is no clear motive behind why Cloninger would have wanted to shoot the boy. The shooting is still being investigated. Cloninger was convicted and is serving a 45-year prison term. Is his name a common household word for senseless interracial violence, the way Aranda’s name is likely to be? No. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/29 "2019-04-17T03:25:43Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > [Jesse Lee Peterson](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Lee_Peterson) is a nutcase who “thanks God” for slavery, says most black people are “mentally retarded”, that women shouldn’t be able to vote, and many more insane and/or hateful things. His views can and should be ignored. The question was asked, what are the people on the right saying and I gave Peterson as an example. So should the press mention racial angles in a story? ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/30 "2019-04-17T04:23:42Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > The question was asked, what are the people on the right saying and I gave Peterson as an example. > > So should the press mention racial angles in a story? I’m not on the right, but if I were, I’d be highly insulted that you chose Peterson when there are articulate conservative commentators who aren’t bat-shit crazy white supremacists. Do you regularly follow Peterson, or did you Google the incident to look for conservative comments, and Peterson’s was the only one that came up? As for your question, the answer is: only if race apparently played a role in the crime. The assailant (I refuse to use the names of violent criminals. Too many of them get off on that.) did not say he was hoping to murder a white person; he just said he was hoping to murder an adult. Race didn’t play a role in the commission of the crime, and only someone as loony and disgusting as Peterson would say it did. ---
**Author:** ![Gukumatz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/74df32/32.png) [@Gukumatz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gukumatz)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/31 "2019-04-17T12:24:59Z")
> [@LAZombie](#): > > People should watch that video. That looked like self defense to me. The man was surrounded by a dozen aggressive youths. Are you saying Emmanuel Deshawn Aranda throwing that 5 year old from three stories is comparable? Self defense? Aggressive? Are you being serious? He was in a crowd of _loud and obnoxious kids_ and as a result, being a man of 6’5" and 250 pounds, _punched a 12 year old girl in the face_. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/32 "2019-04-17T12:34:12Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > The question was asked, what are the people on the right saying and I gave Peterson as an example. Surprised that you would choose to cite a crazy, hateful nutcase as an “example” of “people on the right”. > [@](#): > > So should the press mention racial angles in a story? What “racial angles”? ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/33 "2019-04-17T13:17:29Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Surprised that you would choose to cite a crazy, hateful nutcase as an “example” of “people on the right”. > > What “racial angles”? Your free to quote someone else. Yes, I just saw his response and being he is black I thought I would link to him. ---
**Author:** ![SmellMyWort](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SmellMyWort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmellMyWort)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/34 "2019-04-17T15:58:03Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > The question was asked, what are the people on the right saying and I gave Peterson as an example. No, nobody asked that. You brought your dumbass example in here all on your own. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 5:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/35 "2019-04-17T17:55:19Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > Your free to quote someone else. Yes, I just saw his response and being he is black I thought I would link to him. Seriously? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/36 "2019-04-17T18:27:47Z")
Y’know folks, it’d probably be fine to let it die. We all are unimpressed by the cite and feel it adds a non-representative (and insane) view on the discussion. Honestly the question about whether this would count as an incel crime seems to be getting buried under our disgust and the cite. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/37 "2019-04-17T20:11:14Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > … Honestly the question about whether this would count as an incel crime seems to be getting buried under our disgust and the cite. I thought that question had largely been answered. Does anyone still think it might (count as an incel crime)? ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 8:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/38 "2019-04-17T20:42:27Z")
It would help if you would tell us what you mean by an “incel crime”. I googled it and it basically says a crime committed by an involuntarily celibate person. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/39 "2019-04-17T21:05:29Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > It would help if you would tell us what you mean by an “incel crime”. I googled it and it basically says a crime committed by an involuntarily celibate person. For myself, I would prefer if the motivation for the crime had something do do with his incel status, or motivations based on his incel status or beliefs. A white man shooting a black man because he’s black is a hate crime; a white man shooting a black man because he’s robbing a bank and the guard happens to be black is not. (Now somebody slap me for dragging race back into the thread.) ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2019, 11:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602/40 "2019-04-17T23:20:37Z")
Some of his previous arrests were handled through the mental health court, so he could well be mentally ill: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/boy-thrown-from-mall-of-america-balcony-hospitalized/2019/04/13/c97eb532-5e13-11e9-98d4-844088d135f2\_story.html](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/boy-thrown-from-mall-of-america-balcony-hospitalized/2019/04/13/c97eb532-5e13-11e9-98d4-844088d135f2_story.html) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mall-of-america-assault-and-incel-crime/832602.md?page=3)