# Man, bear, woman,what's the meme I'm missing? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 9, 2024, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284 "2024-05-09T03:33:42Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/181 "2024-05-10T18:44:54Z")
Moderating: > [@Mislav](#): > > You are welcome to leave at anytime. Fake bravado is quite common with fourth-wave feminists, that is why they use dogwhistles. You seem to have difficulty participating in the discussion without insulting others. Stop now. If you continue with your insults, you will receive a formal warning and be prohibited from further participation in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/182 "2024-05-10T18:47:54Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > If you continue with your insults, you will receive a formal warning and be prohibited from further participation in this thread. thank you to Aspenglow and all the mods 😍 ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/183 "2024-05-10T18:58:14Z")
> [@Mislav](#): > > I’m just pointing out that people who make over the top, unbelievable (and ultimately, unprovable and anecdotal) personal testimonies about that, which are _always_ used to justify their biases/hatred and generalize men Talk about unprovable and anecdotal–you seem to be suggesting that claims about being sexually harassed hundreds of times are always used to “justify . . . biases/hatred and generalize men.” Do you genuinely not see the irony here? ---
**Author:** ![SuntanLotion](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suntanlotion/32/16165_2.png) [@SuntanLotion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SuntanLotion)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/184 "2024-05-10T19:01:08Z")
What are the odds? My outlier answer of a man meant, to me, who wouldn’t you rather face off with in say, a boxing ring. But randomly, I see now the safer option is bear. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/185 "2024-05-10T19:02:48Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Thanks, I guess? The links with previews are asking me if I’m over 18, and I’m not clicking on those right now. I’m guessing that you’re backing up your claim that “people claim . . . outrageous things, like claiming they had been sexually harassed 500-2000 times since the age of 13”–and without the word “outrageous,” I’ll stipulate that you’ve cited that claim, although a good cite would be actual text of what people said, not a bajillion links. But it’s more the second part of your claim–that it’s “hundred times less likely than being struck by lightning”–that I find to be remarkable. I read through about a dozen. Most aren’t remotely in the vicinity of his claim. A couple are from women who feel bitter and mistrustful toward men in general because of ongoing experience with shitty behavior, sad but understandable. Not one sounded implausible. He may take exception with those who reasonably include as harassment catcalls and demands of their attention from strangers, who knows, since that for sure seemed a common example that significantly increased the volume. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/186 "2024-05-10T19:06:57Z")
> [@JackieLikesVariety](#): > > thank you to Aspenglow and all the mods Concur with this. The other poster is killing what should be a useful and important discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Mislav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mislav](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mislav)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/187 "2024-05-10T19:17:41Z")
Do you? If somebody makes those generalizations, then goes on to make those highly improbable and unprovable claims when called out (or before that can even happen, just to be sure), it’s pretty obvious what their intentions are. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/188 "2024-05-10T19:40:44Z")
What data are you basing your conclusions on? I mean that the claims are improbable? You seem to have very low empathy for women who are sexually harassed and assaulted. If your problem is with misandrists, stick to that. The way you’re coming off invalidates the experiences of any woman whose story doesn’t fit what you have decided is believable, regardless of their feelings about men in general. Your view of what is believable doesn’t seem to be based in reality. When women exaggerate their experiences (which is something you can’t know if they’re doing), it’s more likely to be a result of invalidating responses like yours in the face of their trauma. I think a lot of some women’s behavior in the social media sphere can be explained by trauma. Trauma makes people suspicious and stressed out and unreasonable and irrational. It makes them constricted and angry and sometimes vicious. It makes them obsess over what happened to them and push away anyone who might theoretically be a threat. I think that’s a better explanation for what you’re seeing. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/189 "2024-05-10T19:45:45Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > I ran across this: “If it’s black, holler back; if it’s brown, lie down; if it’s white, say good night.” As a general rule it’s probably good enough for most people’s bear encounters. Except that “Black bears” are not always black. > **[American black bear](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_black_bear)** > > 16, see text > Euarctos americanus > The American black bear (Ursus americanus), also known as the black bear, is a species of medium-sized bear endemic to North America. It is the continent's smallest and most widely distributed bear species. The American black bear is an omnivore, with a diet varying greatly depending on season and location. It typically lives in largely forested areas but will leave forests in search of food and is sometimes attracted to human communities due to the immediate... _Despite their name, black bears show a great deal of color variation. Individual coat colors can range from white, blonde, cinnamon, light brown or dark chocolate brown to jet black, with many intermediate variations existing. Silvery-gray American black bears with a blue luster (this is found mostly on the flanks) occur along a portion of coastal Alaska and British Columbia. White to cream-colored American black bears occur in the coastal islands and the adjacent mainland of southwestern British Columbia._ ---
**Author:** ![Mislav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mislav](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mislav)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/190 "2024-05-10T19:46:33Z")
Do you think that having a meltdown in Reddit thread, comoletely unprompted, then making creepy sexual comments about a man’s wife, is rational? Because that is exsctly what one of the users linked did. That is the same user who claimed to be sexually harassed by hundreds of men since the age of 13, “every time she goes outside” and “literally every day”. Almost always brought up when somebody calles her out on. Some gems from her: "Yaaaassss you go boy, abandon your wife for not getting what you want!!! She should get over the life long mental baggage of finding out youre infertile because YOUVE decided its been enough!! ‘In sickness and in health??’ Nooooo not for a slay boy like u! Didnt they know its ‘in sickness and in health, unless that sickness means i cant get my dick wet!!! Because nothing is more important than that!!’ Yassss you goooo, again, can you pass me your bisexual wife’s insta so I can show her true" [-82] And later: “Im just a woman looking to show another woman how much better a lesbian relationship is. The fact that u dont even know if shes been with women before is alsoo….telling” [-23] The reply: "I’m sorry but that’s a creepy comment. It’s akin to a guy telling a lesbian she doesn’t know what she’s missing and she’ll change her mind after he’s had a go on her. Just weird. Edit: his to her [+7] And also: “Sounds like your the kind of person girls run away from when they see you” [+7] Her weak response: 'They literally dont sweetheart" [-5] The reply: “No, they probably cover their drinks when you walk in and leer at them.” [+10] LOL And in all likelihood, that person would call herself a reasonable feminst IRL, and if somebody asked her if she hated men she would say no. It’s called cognitive dissonance. Also, many feminists even seem unable to accept reality from each other. For example, you can see them insisting that Valerie Solanas’ _SCUM manifesto_ was satire, even when somebody correctly points out that Valerie Solanas herself said it was not satire: [https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1rk50p/til\_that\_a\_book\_written\_by\_the\_schizophrenic/cdod051/](https://np.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1rk50p/til_that_a_book_written_by_the_schizophrenic/cdod051/) And that discussion did not happen in a subreddit that is exclusively feminist, or women-only space, so even the obviously fake “we just want to be left alone” excuse does not work here. ---
**Author:** ![Mislav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mislav](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mislav)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/191 "2024-05-10T19:50:35Z")
The problem is that many misandrists use such stories to get sympathy after being called out for misandry, and to make misandry seem more acceptable by creating that association and justification (horribly tragic backstory caused by men = hating men = hating men is justified). Absolutely none of the threads linked there are about victims of sexual assault or harassment just seeking comfort or advice or sharing their story. They all either brought it up as justification for something hateful they said (usually with highly improbablr hundreds claims), or have said hateful things later in other threads. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/192 "2024-05-10T19:50:48Z")
Dude, I hope you find peace someday. ---
**Author:** ![Mislav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mislav](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mislav)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/193 "2024-05-10T19:51:29Z")
Like I said, the truth hurts. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/194 "2024-05-10T19:52:15Z")
Well, I’m feeling just fine, actually. ---
**Author:** ![Mislav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mislav](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mislav)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/195 "2024-05-10T19:52:58Z")
Sure, sure. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/196 "2024-05-10T20:20:36Z")
> [@Mislav](#): > > Some gems from her: Weirdly, I’m not interested in getting in an argument by proxy with some rando from Reddit, _even if_ you tell me how many upvotes or downvotes they got. It does seem like you’re neither going to back up your statistical claim, nor shy away from it, so I think the point you’ve made–not the point you intended to make–is clear, and we’re done. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/197 "2024-05-10T20:22:27Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Weirdly, I’m not interested in getting in an argument by proxy with some rando from Reddit, Yep. This is the SDMB- all others are pale imitations. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/198 "2024-05-10T20:27:16Z")
How about quit reading that crap. ---
**Author:** ![Mislav](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mislav](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mislav)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/199 "2024-05-10T20:29:41Z")
I never mentioned statistics, I’m just pointing out obvious trends and patterns I’ve noticed on social media. Not sure why “people lie anonymously on the Internet, in order to further their agenda” is such a bizarre concept to you. Or what statistics prove that anonymous Reddit users may not be truthful. Maybe you should take tone, context and probability in consideration when discussing extreme, anecdotal and ultimately unprovable claims made on the Internet; which is also a very basic concept. And of course you’re not interested in what she said: because you know there is no way to make it sound good/justified. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2024, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-bear-woman-whats-the-meme-im-missing/1001284/200 "2024-05-10T20:31:17Z")
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