# Man charged with child sex abuse felony for video editing! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 18, 2011, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854 "2011-02-18T21:18:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Kamino\_Neko](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kamino_neko/32/34_2.png) [@Kamino\_Neko](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kamino_Neko)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/41 "2011-02-19T05:23:03Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Adult men shouldn’t do anything with children, for any reason, unless at least 2 adult women, a camera, and a stenographer are in the room at the same time. And even then, it’s probably not a good idea. But the camera’s what got him in trouble in the first place! ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/42 "2011-02-19T05:33:20Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > I’m hearing voice telling me to go make a huge boat out of gopher wood. Marmot penis boats are murder. ---
**Author:** ![Carmady](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f04885/32.png) [@Carmady](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carmady)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/43 "2011-02-19T06:56:00Z")
As punishment, the state of Michigan should splice together the video of him singing with “reaction shots” from a prison classroom. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/44 "2011-02-19T06:59:49Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Adult men shouldn’t do anything with children, for any reason, unless at least 2 adult women, a camera, and a stenographer are in the room at the same time. And even then, it’s probably not a good idea. :smack: The world should not be this way and we should not support or accept this kind of logic from anyone. I hate the idea of “hate crime”, but this idea would definitely fit the bill. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/45 "2011-02-19T07:06:47Z")
They’ve done exactly this a couple of times on Reno 911! ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/46 "2011-02-19T10:15:32Z")
I think they did something like this on the first episode of The League. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/47 "2011-02-19T13:14:31Z")
> [@Oldeb](#): > > Amusingly I doubt that the teacher ever left the room when he was actually with the students. Good point. He should probably be charged with rape of the teacher too. ---
**Author:** ![Sinaptics](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/278dde/32.png) [@Sinaptics](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sinaptics)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/48 "2011-02-19T13:21:04Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > Good point. He should probably be charged with rape of the teacher too. Or I suppose you could go the other way and charge him/her as an accessory. ---
**Author:** ![Freudian\_Slit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/5daacb/32.png) [@Freudian\_Slit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Freudian_Slit)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/49 "2011-02-19T13:38:01Z")
> [@Sinaptics](#): > > Or I suppose you could go the other way and charge him/her as an accessory. Or the teacher could be both an accessory and victim, like when a kid sends a naked picture of him/herself to someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Nader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Darth\_Nader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darth_Nader)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/50 "2011-02-19T15:06:59Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Marmot penis boats are murder. This is, oddly, also the title of a rare **Smiths** bootleg LP. ---
**Author:** ![fumster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9c0ed/32.png) [@fumster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fumster)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/51 "2011-02-19T16:36:17Z")
I think this guy needs to be slapped down for using kids in a video without their guardians permission, for slander against the school for implying that they allowed a guy to use language like that in front of the kids, and maybe they should award damages to the kids for being shown in an embarrassing situation that they did not actually participate in. But this is not kiddie porn and the guy is just an asshole, not a sexual predator. What would have been actually funny is to take a movie with paid actors in it and edit it so it looked like they were reacting to him. Then he would just have to face the owner of the media in court and leave the rest of us out of it. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/52 "2011-02-19T18:35:12Z")
> [@sh1bu1](#): > > I think this guy needs to be slapped down for using kids in a video without their guardians permission… Note my comments of general agreement in the OP before reacting to what I write now, but I’m still not sure if that’s a big deal, let alone illegal. For example, I’ve videotaped my young nieces and nephews at school plays and playgrounds and public swimming pools and beaches and zoos and museums, and other people’s kids are often in the shot. Sometimes they’re the only subjects in the shot when they do something funny or otherwise noteworthy. And I’ve posted some of them online with their parents’ (my siblings) knowledge with no complaints. But it’s never even _occurred_ to me – until now, I suppose – that I might have needed to get signed releases from them and/or their parents. YouTube and other online video posting sites are chock full of precisely the same kind of things (i.e., videos featuring people and even kids who were almost certainly never asked to sign releases), but I’ve never seen _anyone_ talking about releases or making them an issue (which might, of course, be because I haven’t looked for this). I don’t know if even America’s Funniest Home Videos requires them, but now that I think on it, their lawyers very probably ask for them. But I don’t know they’re mandatory even so. How would the videographers track down each and every incidental person in the shot even if they wanted to? Now, one might well argue that this is a special case because of the explicit lyrics of the song he _didn’t_ sing to the kids, but since he knew full well that the kids never heard any such thing, why would it even _occur_ to him to ask for releases? It certainly wouldn’t have occurred to me, as I noted above. Of course I realize that ignorance of the law is no defense, but what I still don’t know is if the law actually _required_ releases. As I remarked in my OP, I believe Emory showed poor judgment and dubious ethics in failing to ask permission for everything he planned, but I just can’t convince myself that he did anything truly very objectionable at all. You call him an asshole, but I just see very typical immaturity and a desire to increase his YouTube hit count, just like untold millions of others… ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/53 "2011-02-19T18:47:53Z")
By the way, I read in today’s paper that Evan Emory took down the video in question _himself_ when he heard second-hand that a few of the parents were upset. In an interview, he expressed remorse for failing to think everything through and get full permission, but he still thinks the “manufacturing child sexual abusive material” charge is ludicrous, and I emphatically agree. ---
**Author:** ![xoferew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e9a140/32.png) [@xoferew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xoferew)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/54 "2011-02-19T18:50:25Z")
I would think if the children are at school then the parents and school have lots of legal requirements and agreements between them. One is probably that the school will not put the kids’ pictures on the internet or allow others to do so while the kids are under the school’s care, without the parents’ permission. The school should not have allowed this guy to do what he did unless he got written permission from all the parents and ran it by the school so they could confirm the permission. I have videotaped kids for college projects in their classroom, and made sure to get the parent’s and teacher’s permission. That was required. I’m a teacher now, and when people observe in my classroom I let them photograph the kid’s work, and even the kid’s hands working, but not the faces, or anything that shows the kid’s name. Videotaping in a public park would be completely different, I suppose. ---
**Author:** ![ambushed](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3bc359/32.png) [@ambushed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ambushed)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/55 "2011-02-19T21:13:35Z")
**Sheesh!** I just went to get my hair cut and while I was sitting in the waiting area, a man with an adorable little 4-5 year old daughter came in and sat right next to me. The little girl saw a twisty-turny wire and bead toy, went and grabbed it, and sat down on the floor directly before us to play with it, her eyes wide and smiling in delight. She looked up at me and smiled shyly, and smiling in return I said: “That looks like a lot of fun!” She gasped and proclaimed “Daddy, that man just talked to me!” Her father then looked at me and angrily replied: “ **I hope not!** ” _Sweet Jesu_, what a sick, sad, reprehensible society we’ve become at the hands of the “think of the children!” infantilizers!:smack: ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Girl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7bcc69/32.png) [@Mighty\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Girl)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/56 "2011-02-19T22:25:04Z")
> [@ambushed](#): > > **Sheesh!** > She gasped and proclaimed “Daddy, that man just talked to me!” > > Her father then looked at me and angrily replied: “ **I hope not!** ” > > _Sweet Jesu_, what a sick, sad, reprehensible society we’ve become at the hands of the “think of the children!” infantilizers!:smack: That sounds sad. And disturbing. ---
**Author:** ![xoferew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/e9a140/32.png) [@xoferew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/xoferew)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/57 "2011-02-19T22:31:10Z")
Think of the children, especially think of the little girls! …being raised to fear and mistrust men. What is that four year old going to be like in fifteen years after growing up to believe that men want to victimize her and that speaking to her is part of the victimization? ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2011, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/58 "2011-02-19T23:52:53Z")
> [@marshmallow](#): > > Adult men shouldn’t do anything with children, for any reason, unless at least 2 adult women, a camera, and a stenographer are in the room at the same time. And even then, it’s probably not a good idea. Indeed. What else is worrying (but unrelated) is what is happening with Berlusconi in Italy. A woman claimed to be 24 but was only 17, so when she supposedly had sex with Berluconi he committed a felony because she misinformed everyone about her age. It is idiotic how far this ‘men are animals who are always wrong/responsible/dangerous’ meme is going. ---
**Author:** ![Asympotically\_fat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e47c2d/32.png) [@Asympotically\_fat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asympotically_fat)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/59 "2011-02-20T00:03:52Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Indeed. What else is worrying (but unrelated) is what is happening with Berlusconi in Italy. A woman claimed to be 24 but was only 17, so when she supposedly had sex with Berluconi he committed a felony because she misinformed everyone about her age. It is idiotic how far this ‘men are animals who are always wrong/responsible/dangerous’ meme is going. I have heard tell that Berlusconi is the most persecuted man in the history of the World. I agree with the sentiment that women should take responsibilty for their actions just as much as men, but Berlusconi is a terrible example. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2011, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854/60 "2011-02-20T00:09:34Z")
> [@ambushed](#): > > **Sheesh!** > > I just went to get my hair cut and while I was sitting in the waiting area, a man with an adorable little 4-5 year old daughter came in and sat right next to me. The little girl saw a twisty-turny wire and bead toy, went and grabbed it, and sat down on the floor directly before us to play with it, her eyes wide and smiling in delight. > > She looked up at me and smiled shyly, and smiling in return I said: “That looks like a lot of fun!” > > She gasped and proclaimed “Daddy, that man just talked to me!” > > Her father then looked at me and angrily replied: “ **I hope not!** ” Fifty bucks says he ends up raising a promiscuous teenage daughter with severe daddy issues. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-charged-with-child-sex-abuse-felony-for-video-editing/571854.md?page=4)