# Man in High Castle, Season 2 with spoilers **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [December 17, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000 "2016-12-17T23:52:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![toast\_pakora](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3ec8ea/32.png) [@toast\_pakora](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toast_pakora)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/21 "2017-01-10T13:43:56Z")
Huh, so the sister in the final scene is from the alternate timeline because she’s dead in this one. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/22 "2017-01-10T16:09:32Z")
> [@toast\_pakora](#): > > Huh, so the sister in the final scene is from the alternate timeline because she’s dead in this one. Since when was it confirmed she was dead? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/23 "2017-01-10T16:30:51Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Since when was it confirmed she was dead? I don’t think it was, but the theory makes sense. Especially considering the crossing-over aspect; I expect them to work more of that in with other characters. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/24 "2017-01-10T17:09:43Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Since when was it confirmed she was dead? It’s been a while but didn’t she die in Julia’s arms? ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/25 "2017-01-10T19:06:35Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Since when was it confirmed she was dead? Didn’t she die in the first episode to kick off the whole adventure? ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/26 "2017-01-10T19:18:16Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > Since when was it confirmed she was dead? Didn’t Juliana see her dead body in the Japanese dumping ground towards the end of the first season? I’m pretty sure she did. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/27 "2017-01-10T19:46:00Z")
I don’t remember seeing Trudy’s dead body, but if that’s the case, then I stand corrected on it being alt-universe Trudy. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/28 "2017-01-10T21:02:42Z")
I liked this season as a whole much more than S1, but I was really disappointed by TMITHC’s inspirational speech to Juliana near the end of the finale. She made the wrong choice in saving Smith (by saving his kid)! Granted, it ended up saving everyone from WWIII (because Smith was still alive to expose Haussmann/Heydrich’s plot), but there’s no way she knew that would happen. She took an action that actively harmed the resistance uprising underway. It would have been simple to change the speech to be much more chiding: “Julia(na), you or actions saved millions from atomic destruction. Obviously, there are forces beyond our control or understanding at work here. But what the hell were you thinking?!?” Followed, perhaps, by a bullet to the head. (I really don’t like the way they’re writing / acting her character.) The show would be much more interesting if they were willing to go darker. The characters are making difficult choices all the time. Instead, it’s got to be crystal clear that Frank and JC are good people 100% of the time (just about), and anyone who criticizes them is a, er, Dick. Still enjoying it. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/29 "2017-01-10T21:07:51Z")
Addendum: My summary judgement is that this show is about 20% dumber than it should be. Fantastic visually, some great performances, but a big reliance on TV cliches in the writing. I would’ve killed way more main characters by now (Kido, Juliana, probably Frank). They keep getting saved from their risky/dumb/evil actions in extremely improbable ways. The show’s set in a dystopia; it doesn’t need to be cheesy. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/30 "2017-01-10T21:21:14Z")
Frank IS dead ain’t he? ---
**Author:** ![epbrown01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ba0ec/32.png) [@epbrown01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epbrown01)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/31 "2017-01-10T22:12:06Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Frank IS dead ain’t he? In that reality, definitely maybe. We saw Frank die in another reality in one of the films, meaning he could have traveled out of his reality before the explosion. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2017, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/32 "2017-01-10T23:48:35Z")
I must have missed Frank’s corpse post-explosion. Hopefully he is dead and we get more Childan and Ed adventures/pot smoking debriefs. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/33 "2017-01-11T00:06:12Z")
We didn’t get a shot of his corpse, but the place where he was standing was a giant hole. ---
**Author:** ![snoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@snoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snoe)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/34 "2017-01-11T00:45:13Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > We didn’t get a shot of his corpse, but the place where he was standing was a giant hole. Well, in that case, I’m betting he’s gonna be back alive and sulking his way through S3. :smack: I may be in the minority on this, but making the star characters of the show boring-but-handsome (so far) has been a big irritation for me. The villains Smith and Kido, and the numerous side characters, have been so much more interesting and fun. Hell, HITLER was a more interesting character than Jules or Frank. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/35 "2017-01-11T02:00:59Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Quimby wrjote: "I also enjoy the Easter eggs. In season one the airport we call JFK was also named after a well known at the time American fascist whose name escapes me but I Googled it at the time. " > > George Lincoln Rockwell That was it, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![BwanaBob](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bwanabob/32/2985_2.png) [@BwanaBob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BwanaBob)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/36 "2017-01-11T14:31:32Z")
Being a relative newb to using Amazon Prime, I am curious about the mention of a commentary. Does Amazon Prime offer an alternate sound track with commentary like a DVD/Bluray? I’ve been annoyed that the show isn’t available on hard media because I was thinking that would be the only way to get commentaries and deleted scenes. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/37 "2017-01-11T14:47:36Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Has this been renewed yet? I was iffy after the first season because not much actually happened, but this one was a bit better. Third season confirmed: > **[Amazon's 'The Man In The High Castle' Renewed For Season 3, Finally Gets A...](https://www.slashfilm.com/548496/the-man-in-the-high-castle-season-3-showrunner/)** > > Yes, there will be a The Man in the High Castle season 3. Amazon Studios has renewed the drama for another year and hired Eric Overmyer as showrunner. I think this is one of the most interesting shows on TV, but at the same time feel the parallel-universe aspect confusing and hasn’t been handled particularly well. On the other hand, I’ve been loving the details of the Smith family’s life, sort of if Beaver Cleaver’s dad was in the SS. I also like the actor who plays Trade Minister Tagomi, although his extended sojourn in our(?) reality kind of dragged. And put me down for more of the adventures of Ed and Childan. They’re a hoot. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2017, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/38 "2017-01-11T15:06:24Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Given certain national events, this show may not be as much fun to watch this year. I presume we are the alternate universe for another world where events are better. What a scary video/film it would be to see our world right now. > [@DigitalC](#): > > Has this been renewed yet? I was iffy after the first season because not much actually happened, but this one was a bit better. Yep. S3 happening. ---
**Author:** ![Hermitian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hermitian/32/470_2.png) [@Hermitian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hermitian)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2018, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000/39 "2018-03-12T15:09:30Z")
> [@snoe](#): > > I liked this season as a whole much more than S1, but I was really disappointed by TMITHC’s inspirational speech to Juliana near the end of the finale. > > She made the wrong choice in saving Smith (by saving his kid)! Granted, it ended up saving everyone from WWIII (because Smith was still alive to expose Haussmann/Heydrich’s plot), but there’s no way she knew that would happen. She took an action that actively harmed the resistance uprising underway. > > It would have been simple to change the speech to be much more chiding: “Julia(na), you or actions saved millions from atomic destruction. Obviously, there are forces beyond our control or understanding at work here. But what the hell were you thinking?!?” Followed, perhaps, by a bullet to the head. (I really don’t like the way they’re writing / acting her character.) Sorry, I am late to the party, but I just finished season 2. Another reviewer didn’t like that she shot George to protect the Smith son, but I interpreted it differently. If you go back to review episode one of season 2, the man in the high castle explicitly tells Julia that the only timeline that doesn’t end up with a nuked San Francisco is when mystery man (who Julia finds out is George) ends up dead in an ally while wearing a Nazi uniform. So every time Julia talks with George, she ought to be thinking “this guy needs to end up dead in an ally, preferably wearing a Nazi uniform.” Him carrying a tape about the Smith kid being sick is just icing on top. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-in-high-castle-season-2-with-spoilers/775000.md?page=1)