# Man Landing on the Moon!!!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 21, 2001, 10:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316 "2001-08-21T10:01:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2001, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/21 "2001-08-21T13:30:39Z")
A fellow SDMB member who has as a sig a quote from Harlan Ellison to the effect that “Everybody is entitled to an INFORMED opinion.” Unfortunately the only references this thread’s author gives us to “inform” his opinion are uninformative themselves. (And, really, claiming that orbital rendezvous/docking was beyond their capability? We’d been doing it for years before – the US for 4 years, the USSR for 2, just with manned spacecraft, IIRC) ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2001, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/22 "2001-08-21T13:58:08Z")
Oh, and welcome to the SDMB Gavster 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Waverly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/57b2e6/32.png) [@Waverly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waverly)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2001, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/23 "2001-08-21T16:00:50Z")
> [@](#): > > Does anyone believe that the yanks landed on the moon??? > I can’t see how it was possible and with the picture evidence(too many shadows for one sun etc.)…I think that the yanks were so scared of how advanced the Russians were that they panicked and decided to fake the hole thing… Of course the ‘yanks’ got to the moon. They have, after all, an alien spacecraft of their own hidden in the New Mexico desert. It was a piece of cake. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2001, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/24 "2001-08-21T16:06:03Z")
Well, my father worked on miniaturizing the circuitry that went in the astronauts’ backpacks to the moon. My father was totally incapable of keeping a secret. If the moon landing was faked, he’d-a spilled the beans to my sister and I. ---
**Author:** ![andygirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a9adbd/32.png) [@andygirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andygirl)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2001, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/25 "2001-08-21T16:13:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gavster \* > \*\*Obviously I’m outnumber’d so I’ll back down and do more research. \*\* If you want to find research that “proves” the moon landing was fake, you might not be suited for these boards. ---
**Author:** ![Wonko\_The\_Sane](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/258eb7/32.png) [@Wonko\_The\_Sane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wonko_The_Sane)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2001, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/26 "2001-08-21T17:07:37Z")
Hi artseethru! ---
**Author:** ![jab1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ee7513/32.png) [@jab1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jab1)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2001, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/27 "2001-08-21T17:46:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gavster \* > **HA! HA! Very funny Mangetout…Everyone has there own opinion…** > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by JRDelirious_ > \*\* A fellow SDMB member who has as a sig a quote from Harlan Ellison to the effect that “Everybody is entitled to an INFORMED opinion.”\*\* That ain’t all I got. ---
**Author:** ![Gaudere](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e495f1/32.png) [@Gaudere](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gaudere)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2001, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/28 "2001-08-21T17:51:23Z")
[Moderator Hat ON] OK, guys, insult the argument and reasoning if you like, but not the poster. You know da rulz. [Moderator Hat OFF] ---
**Author:** ![Tedster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/4491bb/32.png) [@Tedster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tedster)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2001, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/29 "2001-08-21T18:25:46Z")
behind denying the reality of the moon landings? What is there to be gained? My only answer would be along the lines of money. People stand to gain financially, similar to making a living claiming that JFK was killed by space aliens, and so on. There must be a big market for loony ideas. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2001, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/30 "2001-08-21T19:08:52Z")
**Fenris** , Hogan believes in the Moon landing hoax? Really? I know you didn’t say that in so many words, but anywhere where I can find out more infomation about this? I mean, the guy writes Hard Sci-Fi about space communities orbiting Saturn and he doesn’t believe we went a quarter of a million miles to the moon? Weird. **Eve** , who do you think you’re fooling? We know you and your sister are in on it too. Please. **gavster** > [@](#): > > I’ll back down and do more research. Thank you, that’s all we’re asking. ---
**Author:** ![Eve](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/9e8a1a/32.png) [@Eve](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eve)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2001, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/31 "2001-08-21T19:17:51Z")
“Eve, who do you think you’re fooling? We know you and your sister are in on it too. Please.” —Curses! We would’ve gotten away with it, too, if it weren’t for those pesky Dopers and their Gobear! ---
**Author:** ![More\_Cowbell](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@More\_Cowbell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/More_Cowbell)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2001, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/32 "2001-08-21T19:23:30Z")
> [@](#): > > Does anyone believe that the yanks landed on the moon??? Of course not, we all know it was actually the Red Sox! > [@](#): > > they panicked and decided to fake the hole thing… Reminds me of the first time I had sex. Damn was she upset! ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2001, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/33 "2001-08-21T20:14:04Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by gavster \* > \*\*OK How about my theory… > > How is it possible for the lunar to connect with the orbitting spaceshuttle… > > If a helicopter on earth tried to connect with some object orbitting the earth… \*\* Ah, the shuttle can’t leave earth orbit. Helicopters can’t make escape velocity. Buzz Aldrin did a lot of work on orbital mechanics for them to manage it with the correct vehicles. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2001, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/34 "2001-08-21T20:32:23Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Enderw24 \* > \*\ ***Fenris** , Hogan believes in the Moon landing hoax? Really? I know you didn’t say that in so many words, but anywhere where I can find out more infomation about this? I mean, the guy writes Hard Sci-Fi about space communities orbiting Saturn and he doesn’t believe we went a quarter of a million miles to the moon? Weird. \*\* I don’t know for a fact that he’s a “Moon-hoaxer” (I’ve only heard it discussed second-hand), but I _do_ know that he absolutely _is_ a [Velikofskian](http://skepdic.com/velikov.html). Y’know the “Worlds in Collision” gibberish about how Jupiter “spit out” Venus which passed by Earth dozens of times and did stuff like parting the Red Sea and stopping the rotation of the Earth and similar silliness? Hogan’s [convinced](http://www.jamesphogan.com/books/cradle/background.shtml?baen99) that _it’s all true!_ Fenris ---
**Author:** ![The\_Bad\_Astronomer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f05b48/32.png) [@The\_Bad\_Astronomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Bad_Astronomer)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2001, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/35 "2001-08-21T21:01:50Z")
[Oh for criminy sakes](http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html). ---
**Author:** ![SPOOFE](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c5a1d2/32.png) [@SPOOFE](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SPOOFE)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2001, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/36 "2001-08-21T22:21:22Z")
> [@](#): > > How is it possible for the lunar to connect with the orbitting spaceshuttle(orbitting around the moon at around 1000 miles an hour) in one attempt First of, they may have been travelling extremely fast relative to the Earth or Moon, but since both vessels were travelling at approximately the same velocity, it was as if they were travelling about 5 MPH. Think of it this way… two cars are driving on the freeway at exactly 65 MPH. Relative to each other, the cars aren’t moving at all. However, if one of them accelerates to 75 MPH, relative to the other one, it would seem as if it were travelling at 10 MPH. > [@](#): > > not luck,it didn’t happen.It didn’t have manovering capabilities because it had to use all it’s ‘juice’ getting off the moon. This is just wrong. It had PLENTY of “juice”. The maneuvering thrusters on the CM had a separate fuel supply from its main burning engines. Please try a little harder in the future… you think NASA can pull off an elaborate hoax, but you don’t think they can think to give the craft a full tank of fuel? > [@](#): > > If a helicopter on earth tried to should straight up into the sky and connect with some object orbitting the earth at 1000 miles an hour I suppose it would hit it spot on first go? Here’s a clue: THERE’S NO AIR IN SPACE. Hence, no wind resistance. With no such wind resistance, it doesn’t matter how fast the two vessels are moving, as long as they’re both travelling at approximately the same velocity. ---
**Author:** ![Enderw24](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ba9def/32.png) [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2001, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/37 "2001-08-22T01:15:52Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Fenris \* > \*\* > I don’t know for a fact that he’s a “Moon-hoaxer” (I’ve only heard it discussed second-hand), but I do know that he absolutely is a [Velikofskian](http://skepdic.com/velikov.html). Y’know the “Worlds in Collision” gibberish about how Jupiter “spit out” Venus which passed by Earth dozens of times and did stuff like parting the Red Sea and stopping the rotation of the Earth and similar silliness? Hogan’s [convinced](http://www.jamesphogan.com/books/cradle/background.shtml?baen99) that it’s all true!_\* Hmm…if I was worried about hijacking a debate I probably wouldn’t be doing this. I see there being a big difference between the moon hoax and the Velikofskian viewpoint. In one, there is tons of evidence to back up a well known fact, the other one is based upon assumption and speculation on both sides. **Rings of Saturn** , which I was originally refering to, shows his viewpoint and explains how something that could come about & how it would affect the Earth. This doesn’t make his theory legitimate, but since there’s no hard proof that it is _incorrect,_ I see it as at least plausible. ---
**Author:** ![mrblue92](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/5daacb/32.png) [@mrblue92](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mrblue92)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2001, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/38 "2001-08-22T17:40:04Z")
> [@](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > not luck,it didn’t happen.It didn’t have manovering capabilities because it had to use all it’s ‘juice’ getting off the moon. > > This is just wrong. It had PLENTY of “juice”. Juice? I thought they had Tang… :d&r: ---
**Author:** ![jimpatro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/b9e5f3/32.png) [@jimpatro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jimpatro)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2001, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/39 "2001-08-22T18:18:04Z")
Just a quick note regarding shadow angles and multiple light sources(the supposed soundstage moon set scenario). As a DP I can tell you that lighting a set with fresnels at various positions produces MULTIPLE shadows, some hard some soft. The moon landing shadows are one per object. To create single shadows on each object at varying angles on purpose would be pertneer impossible. Not to mention stupid unless you want people to think something’s amiss. ---
**Author:** ![GreyMatters](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a9a28c/32.png) [@GreyMatters](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreyMatters)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2001, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-landing-on-the-moon/77316/40 "2001-08-22T18:21:22Z")
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