# Man loses job after punching colleague in the face - I applaud Clarkson's exit **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 26, 2015, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014 "2015-03-26T10:14:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/41 "2015-03-27T04:05:22Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > And he does genuinely know a whole lot about cars. I would guess it would be somewhat difficult to find a replacement who is entertaining and could anchor a show but is also knowledgeable about cars. They could always ask Jay Leno. Although I don’t know how his style of humor would go over in the UK. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/42 "2015-03-27T06:08:54Z")
And if Leno doesn’t work out, they could take a flyer on Seinfeld. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 6:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/43 "2015-03-27T06:16:41Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > They could always ask Jay Leno. Although I don’t know how his style of humor would go over in the UK. Jay Leno is not an enthusiast of car brands that leak oil and need electrical work when new from the factory. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/44 "2015-03-27T07:14:08Z")
> [@Rick](#): > > And if you want to see people that have zero reading comprehension read the replies to my posts. > Read the first sentence of the first quote of mine > I understand what the BBC did. > Let that soak in for a moment > Allow me to repeat: > I understand what the BBC did. > Only a Social Justice Warrior could think that those six words somehow are blaming the producer. > Or maybe the first two words of the next quote where I wrote I agree with the previous poster about the termination. > How could anyone misunderstand I agree? Beats the fuck out of me. > Now since no one could comprehend those two simple sentences I guess I should not be surprised that you could not comprehend the rest of my posts. > Here I will type slow and use small words. > Here in the real world people pay for performance. This is different than Doperland where performance doesn’t matter. (sorry about the big words) > Like it or not the producer has probably thrown a serious monkey wrench in his future career. It is quite likely that he will never have a producing job of any import as he will have a taint about him. > The guys that hire him won’t remember that he worked on TG for 10 years, they will recall he was involved in the dust up that cause JC to be fired and ended TG. > Quite likely no one will take a “chance” on him no mater how good he might be at his job. > Sucks to be him don’t you think? > I have been in his position. Left a job under a cloud and found it very hard to find a similar position. > So two years from now when he is producing chips at the local chip shop do you think that maybe, just maybe he might look back on that night and think Gee I wish I had a steak ready for JC that night? > > But I forget you guys live in Doperland where no one gets splattered with shit that isn’t their fault and all bosses are cuddly understanding guys that forgive and never blame anyone unfairly (or fairly for that matter) > Must be nice living in Doperland, what’s the weather like? You really, really should not take rhetorical advice from your MRA or GamerGate buddies. Calling someone a social justice warrior means pretty much nothing to most people (well, other than telling us who you hang around with). Those six words you said don’t matter because the rest of what you say completely contradicts them. When you say that people should do X, and they didn’t do X, you are inherently blaming them for not doing X. That’s just how language works. What you did was the equivalent to saying “I’m not racist, but \.” You said “I don’t blame him, but \.” ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 8:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/45 "2015-03-27T08:39:06Z")
> [@Rick](#): > > And if you want to see people that have zero reading comprehension read the replies to my posts. > Read the first sentence of the first quote of mine > I understand what the BBC did. > Let that soak in for a moment > Allow me to repeat: > I understand what the BBC did. > Only a Social Justice Warrior could think that those six words somehow are blaming the producer. > Or maybe the first two words of the next quote where I wrote I agree with the previous poster about the termination. > How could anyone misunderstand I agree? Beats the fuck out of me. > Now since no one could comprehend those two simple sentences I guess I should not be surprised that you could not comprehend the rest of my posts. > Here I will type slow and use small words. > Here in the real world people pay for performance. This is different than Doperland where performance doesn’t matter. (sorry about the big words) > Like it or not the producer has probably thrown a serious monkey wrench in his future career. It is quite likely that he will never have a producing job of any import as he will have a taint about him. > The guys that hire him won’t remember that he worked on TG for 10 years, they will recall he was involved in the dust up that cause JC to be fired and ended TG. > Quite likely no one will take a “chance” on him no mater how good he might be at his job. > Sucks to be him don’t you think? > I have been in his position. Left a job under a cloud and found it very hard to find a similar position. > So two years from now when he is producing chips at the local chip shop do you think that maybe, just maybe he might look back on that night and think Gee I wish I had a steak ready for JC that night? > > But I forget you guys live in Doperland where no one gets splattered with shit that isn’t their fault and all bosses are cuddly understanding guys that forgive and never blame anyone unfairly (or fairly for that matter) > Must be nice living in Doperland, what’s the weather like? You really are a fucking idiot aren’t you. Are you as drunk as Clarkson was, because that might explain this bullshit? ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/46 "2015-03-27T08:42:51Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > You really, really should not take rhetorical advice from your MRA or GamerGate buddies. Calling someone a social justice warrior means pretty much nothing to most people (well, other than telling us who you hang around with). > > Those six words you said don’t matter because the rest of what you say completely contradicts them. When you say that people should do X, and they didn’t do X, you are inherently blaming them for not doing X. That’s just how language works. > > What you did was the equivalent to saying “I’m not racist, but \.” You said “I don’t blame him, but \.” By the same token, referring to ‘MRA’ in that way is also revealing (the equivalent of saying “I’m not sexist, but men shouldn’t have rights”). But that’s an argument for another thread. ---
**Author:** ![Robert163](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/4af34b/32.png) [@Robert163](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robert163)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 8:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/47 "2015-03-27T08:47:44Z")
> [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > By the same token, referring to ‘MRA’ in that way is also revealing (the equivalent of saying “I’m not sexist, but men shouldn’t have rights”). But that’s an argument for another thread. Men shouldn’t have rights. The are vile and evil and selfish. Everything wrong on the planet can be traced to a man. ---
**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/48 "2015-03-27T09:07:34Z")
> [@Rick](#): > > Like it or not the producer has probably thrown a serious monkey wrench in his future career. There’s a whole lot of assuming going on here though. You start with “You are a producer. Your job is to keep the BBC’s biggest star happy…” and you just go downhill from there. There is nothing I have seen to show that the punchee’s job description was keeping Clarkson happy. That’s just something you made up. He’s a TV producer not a personal doormat. It may well have been someone else’s job entirely and the Drunk Boor just chose him as the target of his spleen. Further, whoever was responsible may well not have known that Clarkson (a) hadn’t eaten and (b) would DEMAND a hot meal. Additionally, it is entirely your assumption that it is BBC policy to spend onepence on bootlicking star-ass-kissing measures like paying after 10pm to keep kitchens open for wayward talent. Finally it is again just your assumption that the punchee’s career is going to suffer as you suggest. Firstly, I think about 99% of BBC talent are going to think that Clarkson was carrying on like a wanker and are not going to blame the punchee for failing to have his tongue up Clarkson’s ass as far as you suggest would have been appropriate. Secondly, there are going to be a lot of producers (who are likely to be the people employing more junior producers) who are going to sympathise (and not with Clarkson). ---
**Author:** ![Cara\_mel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@Cara\_mel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cara_mel)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/49 "2015-03-27T09:32:09Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > You really, really should not take rhetorical advice from your MRA or GamerGate buddies. Calling someone a social justice warrior means pretty much nothing to most people (well, other than telling us who you hang around with). Nuh. See the quote below from another thread. These are not the words of an MRA, and I like to think of myself as an MRA advocate. I also know what a SJW is, so stop that. > [@Auto dealership service advisors - commission?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/auto-dealership-service-advisors-commission/708078/19): > > I personally like the idea of a quality female service advisor, they bring a lot to the table in dealing with customers. Most customers don’t feel as threatened by a female SA. The ones I have worked with were car people, and not clothes horses dressed like Pharma reps. > FTR three of the best service managers I have ever met are female, and believe when it comes to working with customers or running a good department sex has nothing to do with it. It is all about competency. These ladies have it in spades. > [@Jack\_of\_Words](#): > > By the same token, referring to ‘MRA’ in that way is also revealing (the equivalent of saying “I’m not sexist, but men shouldn’t have rights”). But that’s an argument for another thread. Agreed ---
**Author:** ![RobDog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f07891/32.png) [@RobDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RobDog)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 9:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/50 "2015-03-27T09:36:14Z")
Furthermore, it seems that Tymon has comported himself with a good deal of grace during this farrago. He’s resisted the temptation to run to the tabloids with the usual “my side of the story” sensationalism, and he seems to have nothing but regret that the incident happened, and praise for Clarkson. From his Twitter account: > [@](#): > > “I respect Lord Hall’s detailed findings and I am grateful to the BBC for their thorough and swift investigation into this very regrettable incident, against a background of intense media interest and speculation,” Tymon said. > > "I’ve worked on Top Gear for almost a decade, a programme I love. > > "Over that time, Jeremy and I had a positive and successful working relationship, making some landmark projects together. > > “He is a unique talent and I am well aware that many will be sorry his involvement in the show should end in this way.” Yes, sounds like a totally unemployable diva doesn’t he? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/51 "2015-03-27T10:12:33Z")
> [@Princhester](#): > > There’s a whole lot of assuming going on here though. You start with “You are a producer. Your job is to keep the BBC’s biggest star happy…” and you just go downhill from there. > > There is nothing I have seen to show that the punchee’s job description was keeping Clarkson happy. That’s just something you made up. He’s a TV producer not a personal doormat. It may well have been someone else’s job entirely and the Drunk Boor just chose him as the target of his spleen. > > Further, whoever was responsible may well not have known that Clarkson (a) hadn’t eaten and (b) would DEMAND a hot meal. > > Additionally, it is entirely your assumption that it is BBC policy to spend onepence on bootlicking star-ass-kissing measures like paying after 10pm to keep kitchens open for wayward talent. > > Finally it is again just your assumption that the punchee’s career is going to suffer as you suggest. Firstly, I think about 99% of BBC talent are going to think that Clarkson was carrying on like a wanker and are not going to blame the punchee for failing to have his tongue up Clarkson’s ass as far as you suggest would have been appropriate. Secondly, there are going to be a lot of producers (who are likely to be the people employing more junior producers) who are going to sympathise (and not with Clarkson). This. ---
**Author:** ![SciFiSam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/47e85d/32.png) [@SciFiSam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SciFiSam)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 11:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/52 "2015-03-27T11:22:09Z")
What other job could you be in where you could punch a colleague after being on a warning already and not get sacked? I mean, this actually happened _at work_. When incidents happen outside work then employers have a certain amount of leeway, but with incidents at work, with multiple witnesses? What else could they do? Say, it’s OK, we’ve sent him to anger management counselling? Every other employee at the BBC would have cause for a grievance procedure then. They’d have signed contracts about behaviour at work and so will JC, so if he gets off, why not them? Top Gear probably will continue and maybe it’ll even improve. And yeah, the producer will probably find it difficult to work for a while. Because he couldn’t provide hot food, only cold cuts, after the people he was providing food for went on the piss for too long. He will be tainted and lots of people are blaming him. It really is absurd how similar that sounds to a domestic violence case. (I am not suggesting JC beats his wife - I don’t even know if he has a wife and genuinely do not think this means he is a wife-beater, if he has one - just that this case has paralells). ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 11:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/53 "2015-03-27T11:24:29Z")
> [@Rick](#): > > Here in the real world people pay for performance. I don’t think any of us can say for sure, but I don’t think that anyone in the industry questions this guy’s performance as a producer. Full Stop. What you are describing is outside of the producer’s job description. Keeping a petulant star from assaulting you and ruining his career isn’t a reflection on the producer, and I don’t think anyone but you thinks it is so. I suspect his career will be just fine. Even Clarkson supports him. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Nylock](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/77aa72/32.png) [@Mr.Nylock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Nylock)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/54 "2015-03-27T12:43:41Z")
> [@naita](#): > > I don’t expect you to applaud. The people I want to punch are the ones whining what a big mistake BBC is making and how occasionally sending minions to the hospital is a small price to pay for having their deity Clarkson employed. From what I know, producers are not exactly minions. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/55 "2015-03-27T12:58:46Z")
> [@Robert163](#): > > Men shouldn’t have rights. The are vile and evil and selfish. Everything wrong on the planet can be traced to a man. Well, glad we figured that out. As soon as I find out who he is, I’m going to pound him like a hungry Jeremy Clarkson. ---
**Author:** ![Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/ac8455/32.png) [@Your\_Great\_Darsh\_Face](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Your_Great_Darsh_Face)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/56 "2015-03-27T12:59:53Z")
“That’s a nasty black eye - you want to put a piece of steak on that.” ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/57 "2015-03-27T13:54:14Z")
> [@naita](#): > > I don’t expect you to applaud. The people I want to punch are the ones whining what a big mistake BBC is making and how occasionally sending minions to the hospital is a small price to pay for having their deity Clarkson employed. > [@Mr.Nylock](#): > > From what I know, producers are not exactly minions. To the people I’m describing anyone not a star apparently is. ---
**Author:** ![Bridget\_Burke](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7cd45c/32.png) [@Bridget\_Burke](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bridget_Burke)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/58 "2015-03-27T15:02:35Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > …(I am not suggesting JC beats his wife - I don’t even know if he has a wife and genuinely do not think this means he is a wife-beater, if he has one - just that this case has paralells). Nope, no wife: > [@](#): > > The Clarkson-fracas-sacking scenario reeks of masculinity: gruff middle-aged petrol-head thumping stubbly male TV producer in row over steak. Male co-presenters line up to call him a likeable twazzock and his talents are minutely scrutinised by everyone including the Prime Minister until Lord Hall announces that the pot-bellied provocateur is fired. Yorkshire police-officers swarm around the edges of the tale contemplating how cool it would be to drive Clarkson to the nearest police station and make him put his seat belt on in the back. > > The only female presence in this sorry tale comes from blurry profile shots through rainy windows of Clarkson’s girlfriend Phillipa Sage arriving to comfort her chastened lover. But there is one major woman whose absence feels profound: Frances Clarkson, Jeremy’s wife, agent and confidant of 21 years. He was a slobbering, greedy mutt who’d happily have licked his own balls to raise eyebrows on The One Show; she was his dog-handler… > > The first Mrs Clarkson, Alex Hall, who left him for his best friend after six months of marriage in 1989 illuminated Frances’s role when their divorce was announced last year, “Jeremy is the frontman but behind the scenes she was the swan paddling frantically beneath the surface,” she said. “It is her hard work that has made him into the idol he is today.” [A masterpiece of British journalistic wit](http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/11497271/Jeremy-Clarkson-sacked-the-real-reason-he-punched-a-man-over-steak.html). This _is_ The Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_of\_Words](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/f6c823/32.png) [@Jack\_of\_Words](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_of_Words)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/59 "2015-03-27T15:56:29Z")
> [@Bridget\_Burke](#): > > A masterpiece of British journalistic wit. This _is_ The Pit. Well it rhymes with ‘wit’’ and ‘Pit’, certainly. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014/60 "2015-03-27T17:25:07Z")
> [@SciFiSam](#): > > What other job could you be in where you could punch a colleague after being on a warning already and not get sacked? Boxer? What do I win? What do you mean I’m not supposed to punch the trainer? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-loses-job-after-punching-colleague-in-the-face-i-applaud-clarksons-exit/716014.md?page=4)