# Man names newborn daughter Sarah McCain Palin-without consulting wife **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 15, 2008, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978 "2008-10-15T00:37:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/1 "2008-10-15T00:37:18Z")
> [@](#): > > Mark Ciptak of Elizabethton put that name on the documents for the girl’s birth certificate, ignoring the name Ava Grace, which he and his wife had picked earlier. Rest of the story [here](http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081014/NEWS01/81014011/-1/RSS05). Apparently, he’s doing so to “get the word out.” He claims he has a lawn sign, but he feels this will be a good thing to do, since he can’t contribute financially. Huh? Now, before anyone attacks me for being partisan, I’d say the same for someone who named their kid after Obama/Biden without consulting the other spouse. What the hell? So in the heat of the moment, you turn your kid into an election billboard? Ouch. ---
**Author:** ![Huerta88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/82dd89/32.png) [@Huerta88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Huerta88)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/2 "2008-10-15T00:40:06Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Rest of the story [here](http://www.tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081014/NEWS01/81014011/-1/RSS05). > > Apparently, he’s doing so to “get the word out.” He claims he has a lawn sign, but he feels this will be a good thing to do, since he can’t contribute financially. Huh? > Now, before anyone attacks me for being partisan, I’d say the same for someone who named their kid after Obama/Biden without consulting the other spouse. What the hell? So in the heat of the moment, you turn your kid into an election billboard? Ouch. And besides – just how much time on the campaign trail will young Sarah be able to log in the next three weeks? How does this “get the word out,” other than (I’ll try to be non-partisan) suggesting that McCain-Palin attract some dubious-judgment followers? ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/3 "2008-10-15T00:40:42Z")
So he’s done this for an election that will take place in a month? What’s the kid going to do after that? ---
**Author:** ![Menocchio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9de053/32.png) [@Menocchio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Menocchio)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/4 "2008-10-15T00:44:03Z")
That girl is going to be so liberal when she grows up that Keith Olberman will take time out on his show to periodically tell her to tone it down a notch and Rachel Maddow will have to take out a restraining order against her. ---
**Author:** ![WF\_Tomba](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/d9b06d/32.png) [@WF\_Tomba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WF_Tomba)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/5 "2008-10-15T00:45:07Z")
Ava Grace is a nice name, too. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/6 "2008-10-15T00:51:24Z")
> [@WF\_Tomba](#): > > Ava Grace is a nice name, too. Yeah, now see, why couldn’t he, if he was that enthusiastic, name her Sarah Ava Grace, if he HAD to? That could work. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/7 "2008-10-15T00:54:52Z")
> [@](#): > > “I don’t think she believes me yet,” he told the Kingsport Times-News for a story to be published Tuesday. “It’s going to take some more convincing.” Yeah… I could see a new mother having difficulty accepting that kind of revelation. If it’s any consolation, Mrs. Ciptak, I also hope that this story isn’t real. > [@](#): > > “I took one for the cause,” he said. “I can’t give a lot of financial support for the (McCain/Palin) campaign. I do have a sign up in my yard, but I can do very little.” “–I mean, I guess I could have bought a bumper sticker for the SUV, but those things can really mess up the paint.” ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/8 "2008-10-15T00:56:22Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Yeah, now see, why couldn’t he, if he was that enthusiastic, name her Sarah Ava Grace, if he HAD to? That could work. Because that wouldn’t be published in the newspaper, available on the internet and talked about on a message board. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/9 "2008-10-15T01:14:05Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Because that wouldn’t be published in the newspaper, available on the internet and talked about on a message board. If this were my husband, he’d soon be an ex-husband or dead. Or both. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/10 "2008-10-15T01:17:22Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > If this were my husband, he’d soon be an ex-husband or dead. Or both. That would probably make the news… ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/11 "2008-10-15T01:24:28Z")
I like the “I took one for the cause.” As I read on an LJ community I belong to, “YOU didn’t take one for the cause-YOUR KID did!” ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 1:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/12 "2008-10-15T01:32:30Z")
Okay, all joking aside, it wouldn’t really be that huge of a deal for me. I’d be annoyed, and I’d tell everyone what a twit he was, but then I’d order the proper forms for a name change and submit them - perhaps after the election, if I was a Palin supporter too. It’s an infant’s name. These things are not permanent in our country. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/13 "2008-10-15T01:33:31Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > That would probably make the news… I’m an equal opportunity murderer. I’d kill him if he did this with Barack Obama/Biden etc. You’re quite reasonable–I’m much more testy. And I’m reminded of Bertie Wooster all of a sudden: In reference to another character’s horrible name, Bertie turns to Jeeves and says, “By George, there’s some raw work done at the font, Jeeves.” Classic. Poor baby. At least Sarah is not a horrid name… ---
**Author:** ![Baker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bb73d2/32.png) [@Baker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baker)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/14 "2008-10-15T03:18:57Z")
Birth certificates can be amended, the name part at least. I hope the wife is aware of this. My father has two middle names, and somehow one of those got put down as his first, or given name, on the certificate. There’s an small card, with another seal, clipped to the birth certificate, noting the change and the “real” name. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/15 "2008-10-15T03:58:13Z")
The girl could have it worse. McCain could have picked Tim Pawlenty. ---
**Author:** ![thirdwarning](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecccb3/32.png) [@thirdwarning](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdwarning)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/16 "2008-10-15T04:03:42Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Yeah, now see, why couldn’t he, if he was that enthusiastic, name her Sarah Ava Grace, if he HAD to? That could work. I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t give those initials to any daughter of mine. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/17 "2008-10-15T04:08:45Z")
Anyone know Diogenes’s real name? He has a new daughter— said he was going with Kali, but perhaps he figured one goddess of death was as good as another. ---
**Author:** ![Maradona](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e4f/32.png) [@Maradona](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maradona)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/18 "2008-10-15T05:20:59Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Anyone know Diogenes’s real name? He has a new daughter— said he was going with Kali, but perhaps he figured one goddess of death was as good as another. Kali..? Real sweet of him to name his daughter as a goddess who got a severed head in one hand and some weapons on the other.. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/19 "2008-10-15T05:36:41Z")
> [@Maradona](#): > > Kali..? Real sweet of him to name his daughter as a goddess who got a severed head in one hand and some weapons on the other.. Would you pick at her on the playground? I think not. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2008, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-names-newborn-daughter-sarah-mccain-palin-without-consulting-wife/467978/20 "2008-10-15T05:38:34Z")
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