# Man of Steel is going to rock your freaking socks off **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 11, 2013, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382 "2013-04-11T05:52:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/61 "2013-04-11T21:02:49Z")
> [@bienville](#): > > _The Incredible Hulk_ 2008 has been mentioned (again, _not_ a sequel to the 2003 _Hulk_). > > Also: _Batman_ 1989, origin only told through a few brief flashbacks. Or the X-Men movies, which have more powered individuals per square foot than any other superhero movie, and not a single one of them has an origin story. At least, not until you get about four films into the franchise. ---
**Author:** ![Waenara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/50afbb/32.png) [@Waenara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Waenara)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/62 "2013-04-11T21:21:04Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Or the X-Men movies, which have more powered individuals per square foot than any other superhero movie, and not a single one of them has an origin story. At least, not until you get about four films into the franchise. Well technically Magneto had a little bit of his origin story in the first X-Men movie (flashback to the concentration camp where his powers manifested when he was separated from his parents). I don’t remember any of the other adult X-Men having origin stories in that movie, but some of the teenage mutants kind of did (I’m thinking of Rogue - were there any others?). ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/63 "2013-04-11T22:52:45Z")
> [@FriarTed](#): > > As for Jesus imagery, Bryan, you obviously haven’t seen these… Dammit, this is why DC movies suck (and yes, I include the three recent Batman flicks). They feel compelled to inject all this heavy-duty pseudo-mystic weighty _significance_. Even the Thor movie didn’t bother with all that crap - it was at heart a sibling-rivalry story. ---
**Author:** ![planetcory](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/planetcory/32/1032_2.png) [@planetcory](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/planetcory)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/64 "2013-04-11T23:30:35Z")
> [@Bryan\_Ekers](#): > > Dammit, this is why DC movies suck (and yes, I include the three recent Batman flicks). They feel compelled to inject all this heavy-duty pseudo-mystic weighty _significance_. Even the Thor movie didn’t bother with all that crap - it was at heart a sibling-rivalry story. Whereas, that’s why I prefer those DC movies. Comics are all about ‘heavy-duty pseudo-mystic weighty significance’. I don’t appreciate that Marvel’s movies are dumber than their books. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2013, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/65 "2013-04-11T23:37:06Z")
Well, those ain’t the comics _I_ read, but no matter. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/66 "2013-04-12T01:55:45Z")
> [@Fake\_Tales\_of\_San\_Francisco](#): > > If they can’t come up with novel superheroes themselves, why not at least take advantage of the wealth of superheroes already in print? Shhhh! Don’t leak anything about my first feature-length action movie. **Hint: [She’s taken down Doctor Doom](http://marvel.wikia.com/Doreen_Green_(Earth-616)). [And later MODOK, Terrax and Thanos.](http://www.comicvine.com/squirrel-girl/4005-2488/)** ---
**Author:** ![DrFidelius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drfidelius/32/3447_2.png) [@DrFidelius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrFidelius)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 10:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/67 "2013-04-12T10:14:08Z")
> [@digs](#): > > Shhhh! Don’t leak anything about my first feature-length action movie. > > **Hint: [She’s taken down Doctor Doom](http://marvel.wikia.com/Doreen_Green_(Earth-616)). [And later MODOK, Terrax and Thanos.](http://www.comicvine.com/squirrel-girl/4005-2488/)** The world needs Squirrel Girl. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/68 "2013-04-12T14:08:19Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > The world needs Squirrel Girl. ::sigh:: So much for not leaking anything. At least no one knows about the actors I’ve already got commitments from… We’ve got seven actresses who are willing to pay us to be Squirrel Girl, but we’re leaning towards Abigail Breslin, or Emma Watson in Full Geek Mode (Sorry, Dame Helen!). John Lithgow’s on board as Doctor Doom, Jim Carrey as Speedball, Val Kilmer as Ego, Ben Affleck as a local thug named Turk (who gets beat up by Matt Damon as Daredevil), Bill Cosby as Willy Lumpkin, and Dame Judi Dench as The Watcher. Oh, and Wally Shawn’s already got his Galactus costume fitted, so he can’t back out now. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/69 "2013-04-12T14:14:03Z")
> [@DrFidelius](#): > > The world needs Squirrel Girl. And this would be SO much better than say Jonah Hex… Elektra… Catwoman… the first Hulk movie… Can we Kickstart this? ---
**Author:** ![Debaser](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3da27b/32.png) [@Debaser](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Debaser)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/70 "2013-04-12T17:19:08Z")
I’ll be happy if the movie doesn’t contain the line “Truth, Justice, and all that Stuff.” It’s hard to imagine someone being able to make a movie the shits on the franchise as bad as the last one. It was so bad that I swear it was deliberate. Superman as a deadbeat dad. WTF? The big ending was a situation that could have been resolved by about two NYC beat cops. (A handful of toughs punching him while he’s weak due to Kryptonite.) But at least it had a minigun shooting Superman in the eye in slow motion! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/71 "2013-04-12T18:37:40Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Or the X-Men movies, which have more powered individuals per square foot than any other superhero movie, and not a single one of them has an origin story. At least, not until you get about four films into the franchise. I remember reading that when Stan Lee and Jack Kirby (I think) created the X-Men, they made them all “mutants” specifically so they didn’t have to make origins for all the characters’ powers. That said, if you want to stretch the definition of Origin to “Back Story”, in the original movies we got the back stories of several characters and you can argue X-Men First Class is a movie length back story. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/72 "2013-04-12T21:33:54Z")
Next week’s issue of ENTERTAINMENT features an in-depth article about the coming movie, and how they make it “darker.” Sigh. I like heroes that don’t have a darker side. Yeah, it’s fiction. But we see enough of the darker side of many of our heroes nowadays, including Lincoln, Jefferson, etc etc. It’s nice to have some heroes that have a strong moral code and stick by it. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2013, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/73 "2013-04-12T22:07:52Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > Next week’s issue of ENTERTAINMENT features an in-depth article about the coming movie, and how they make it “darker.” Sigh. > > I like heroes that don’t have a darker side. Yeah, it’s fiction. But we see enough of the darker side of many of our heroes nowadays, including Lincoln, Jefferson, etc etc. It’s nice to have some heroes that have a strong moral code and stick by it. That’s a false dilemma. The film can be thematically darker while Superman keeps his moral code. In fact, his goodness resonates more when he’s part of a darker, more cynical world. ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/74 "2013-04-13T02:51:16Z")
> [@Debaser](#): > > I’ll be happy if the movie doesn’t contain the line “Truth, Justice, and all that Stuff.” > > It’s hard to imagine someone being able to make a movie the shits on the franchise as bad as the last one. It was so bad that I swear it was deliberate. > > Superman as a deadbeat dad. WTF? > > The big ending was a situation that could have been resolved by about two NYC beat cops. (A handful of toughs punching him while he’s weak due to Kryptonite.) > > But at least it had a minigun shooting Superman in the eye in slow motion! :rolleyes: Yeah, the last Superman movie was probably the worst movie ever, that wasn’t actually trying to be terrible. ---
**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/75 "2013-04-13T02:57:35Z")
> [@Amateur\_Barbarian](#): > > You miss the point. He’s invulnerable like Mr. Incredible… he may be indestructible but those things he cares about are not, and there are too many of them (people, places and things) to protect all at once. Most brilliant line in a brilliant movie: _“I’m not strong enough!”_ Ok, the man is over worked. I think _you_ are missing the point. A hero is someone people aspire to be. A person who sacrifices and dares to great things. Superman can’t be hurt and he can travel in space at will because he was born capable of doing it. How is he a hero? What has he achieved in spite of adversity though sheer force of will to be admired? Fuck admired, what has he achieved to make him worthy of being a protagonist in any good story? Country bumpkin born capable of picking up cars falls in love with a Metropolis journalist, that is not a good story. ---
**Author:** ![drastic\_quench](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e36b37/32.png) [@drastic\_quench](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drastic_quench)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/76 "2013-04-13T03:30:49Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Ok, the man is over worked. I think _you_ are missing the point. A hero is someone people aspire to be. A person who sacrifices and dares to great things. > > Superman can’t be hurt and he can travel in space at will because he was born capable of doing it. How is he a hero? What has he achieved in spite of adversity though sheer force of will to be admired? Fuck admired, what has he achieved to make him worthy of being a protagonist in any good story? > > Country bumpkin born capable of picking up cars falls in love with a Metropolis journalist, that is not a good story. That is one \*narrow \*definition of a type of hero. You could ask the same of Beowulf or Gilgamesh. Also, you’re flat out wrong. Superman is constantly getting hurt, battling figures and forces greater than himself, and struggling along the way. What are you even basing your claims on? Have you read a Superman comic? Achievements? He’s saved the planet countless times, the universe many times, and all of reality at least twice. Can’t be hurt? He’s been poisoned countless times, mind controlled, tortured, and beaten to death. ---
**Author:** ![Sr\_Siete](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6de8d8/32.png) [@Sr\_Siete](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sr_Siete)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 5:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/77 "2013-04-13T05:38:41Z")
> [@Sitnam](#): > > Ok, the man is over worked. I think _you_ are missing the point. A hero is someone people aspire to be. A person who sacrifices and dares to great things. > > Superman can’t be hurt and he can travel in space at will because he was born capable of doing it. How is he a hero? What has he achieved in spite of adversity though sheer force of will to be admired? Fuck admired, what has he achieved to make him worthy of being a protagonist in any good story? > > Country bumpkin born capable of picking up cars falls in love with a Metropolis journalist, that is not a good story. Well, he has denounced corruption, particularly the control of one business magnate over the city of Metropolis. He’s also made people aware of injustice and suffering all over the world, and that’s taken a lot of effort and creativity. Oh, you mean that thing when he dons silly blue tights and saves people in danger around him? That’s more of just him being a nice guy generally, not his actual purpose in life. ---
**Author:** ![Justin\_Bailey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/justin_bailey/32/8792_2.png) [@Justin\_Bailey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Justin_Bailey)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/78 "2013-04-13T08:58:00Z")
> [@smiling\_bandit](#): > > Nope - no official connection between _Hulk_ and _The Hulk_. This is wrong. The Incredible Hulk is a sequel to Hulk the same way Evil Dead 2 is a sequel to Evil Dead. The canon of what actually happened in the first movie is slightly changed, but the first movie still happened. Hulk ends with Banner running to South America and The Incredible Hulk opens with Hulk hiding in South America. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/79 "2013-04-13T13:49:17Z")
> [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](#): > > I keep hoping for Brainiac. It would be difficult for a lot of casual moviegoers to take “Brainiac” seriously. I tried reading Kevin Smith’s proposed Superman script, and I was laughing at parts that were not meant to be taken as funny. If they’re going to reboot the franchise, the two most logical foes for Superman are the same ones from the first go at this; Lex Luthor and Zod. Zod is an interesting foes because he abilities are the same as Superman’s. Luthor’s an interesting foe because his abilities are precisely NOT Superman’s. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2013, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382/80 "2013-04-13T17:28:08Z")
> [@Justin\_Bailey](#): > > This is wrong. The Incredible Hulk is a sequel to Hulk the same way Evil Dead 2 is a sequel to Evil Dead. The canon of what actually happened in the first movie is slightly changed, but the first movie still happened. > > Hulk ends with Banner running to South America and The Incredible Hulk opens with Hulk hiding in South America. If the canon from the first movie is changed, the second movie ain’t part of the same series. [Besides which, no one involved with the second film considers it a sequel to the first.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incredible_Hulk_(film)#Development) > [@](#): > > Leterrier acknowledged **the only remaining similarity between the two films was Bruce hiding in South America** , and that the film was a unique reboot, as generally audiences would have expected another forty-minute origin story. There were previous discussions to set the first act in Thailand. > _\_ > Shortly after the release of The Incredible Hulk, Gale Anne Hurd commented on the uncertainty of its relationship with Ang Lee’s Hulk film. “We couldn’t quite figure out how to term this … It’s kind of a reboot and it’s kind of sequel.” Hurd said that “requel”, a portmanteau of “reboot” and “sequel”, was a “perfect” description for the film. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-of-steel-is-going-to-rock-your-freaking-socks-off/655382.md?page=5)