# Man returns Holocaust medal **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 17, 2014, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760 "2014-08-17T15:38:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/41 "2014-08-19T18:21:26Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > Look **The Second Stone,** > > I am a reasonable person. I’m all for a two state solution. I don’t support the Haredim or quite a number of things Israel does. I’ve been yelled at by five rabbis for marrying a non-Jew. I think the Palestinians have a legitimate grievance, although not as big a one as they seem to think. One of my Hebrew school teachers was kicked out of her long-standing home in an Arab country by anti-Semitic Islamic actions and I don’t see her teaching her kids to bomb places in Yemen. But do you have slightest inkling that your shrill and ridiculous exaggerations don’t exactly make for either decent or accurate commentary on this issue? Well, marrying a non-Jew certainly gets you a lot of cred in my book. Five yelling Rabbis is a poker game! My Dad (a Jew) married a non-Jew, that makes us cousins! My personal conduct and political belief isn’t governed by the standards of tyrants, criminals, racists do or have done. My conduct and belief is governed by the standard of would you want this done to you and yours? There is no declared war of one country against another, rules of occupation followed, it is a constant oppression and squeezing. What happened to the Jews in Germany in the 1930s was a Nazi crime against humanity and a horror that the world largely ignored. Now _we_ are financing (through my tax dollars) the killing of thousands of Gazans every time it suits the political need of the government without specially targeting the military actors, killing bystanders and baiting and killing young boys. Some Israelis and some Americans have called for killing _all_ of them. We are well along the long slide of moral depravity. Supporting hypothetical rights such as a pretend government doesn’t excuse the misery that is Gaza. If you wouldn’t accept this happening to you and yours right now, then it isn’t acceptable. That a just agreement hasn’t been reached in decades does not justify a position of when can have justice later. Would you be okay with your tax dollars supporting the State of Palestine that controls access to the Israeli ghetto, not government, of Tel Aviv without travel access controlled by Palestine, where life is misery. Would what goes on in Gaza be okay to do to Israelis? Is the humanity of one superior to another? When the Israeli troops enter Gaza and taunt the children over the loudspeaker, and the children throw _rocks_ and the Israeli troops then machine gun those children, is that not utterly fucking monstrous. Is that not fascism? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/42 "2014-08-19T18:23:57Z")
Machine gunning children is certainly monstrous, but it’s not _fascist_. It’s not communist either, or monarchist. Try to learn the meaning of words before you use them. ---
**Author:** ![C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/b2d939/32.png) [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/C_K_Dexter_Haven)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/43 "2014-08-19T18:45:08Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Israel is a fascist nation implementing fascist policies and oppressing the people of Gaza. Sorry, but this is ludicrous. Israel is a democracy, where all citizens – including Arabs – can vote. Hamas is a terrorist group, and those who speak out against Hamas are killed. Israel has a free press (except on matters of national security); the Western reporters that LEAVE Gaza say that they were unable to report anything except what Hamas told them to report, for fear of their lives. Israel spends its tax dollars and outside donations to build infrastructure and defense. Hamas spends whatever money it has to build tunnels to attack Israel, and to smuggle in weapons. No wonder the Palestinians are in such dire straits – their “government” prefers to buy weapons to food, or building roads, or setting up an infrastructure. Israel toleratres all religions, and allows all religions to maintain and visit their holy sites; when the West Bank was under Palestinian control, Jews could not vist Jewish holy sites at all. You and I obviously have very different definitions of “fascist” state. I’m not saying that the Palestinians aren’t in a sad plight, but the solutions are pretty obvious: denounce terrorism, accept that Israel has the right to exist, and try to live peacefully as neighbors. Every Israeli would be delighted. And do remember that Hamas speaks in code: “occupied territory” means all of Israel. * * * > [@The Second Stone](#): > > I’m not blaming Jews here, I’m blaming Israelis. There is a clear difference. But nice try to conflate the two. My comment was not directed at you, but at this Dutch guy, who is saying, in effect, that he’s sorry he saved some Jews from being gassed by the Nazis, because Israel is misbehaving now. He’s the one doing the conflating, not I. And I think it’s absurd. Might was well say, “Nigeria is doing dreadful things, I’m sorry that I supported the equal rights movement for blacks.” Or Sudan is engaged in genocide, I’m sorry I gave money to the Ethiopian charity." It’s racist, not to say stupid. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/44 "2014-08-19T18:47:34Z")
Try reading in context. When you machine gun children it is both monstrous and fascist. It is fascist because it is done for an ultra-nationalist, race and religion based bigoted and authoritarian motive. Try learning the moral consequences of fascism and monstrous murdering before you do propagandize on behalf of whatever ultra-nationalist authority you support. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/45 "2014-08-19T18:51:32Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Try reading in context. When you machine gun children it is both monstrous and fascist. It is fascist because it is done for an ultra-nationalist, race and religion based bigoted and authoritarian motive. There are many historical instances of machine gunning children that were not done for “ultra-nationalist, race and religion based bigoted and authoritarian motive”. Your understanding of the word “fascist” is wrong. > [@](#): > > Try learning the moral consequences of fascism and monstrous murdering before you do propagandize on behalf of whatever ultra-nationalist authority you support. I take it you’re not actually interested in learning the opinions of those who disagree with you. Considering that, I will stop trying. What a shame. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/46 "2014-08-19T19:00:45Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > I always wondered what the hell beef Hamas has against the Rotary Clubs or the Lions. 😕 Just don’t tell Hamas that you’re an [Odd Fellow](http://www.ioof.org/). :eek: ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/47 "2014-08-19T19:06:36Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > My comment was not directed at you, but at this Dutch guy, who is saying, in effect, that he’s sorry he saved some Jews from being gassed by the Nazis, because Israel is misbehaving now. He’s the one doing the conflating, not I. He said nothing of the sort, and you are putting words in his mouth that he did not utter. Israel gave him a medal for saving a Jewish girl from the Nazis. He never said anything about regretting that action. Israel killed six of his relatives. He is not obliged to let Israel associate with his righteous actions. You are the one doing the conflating. Badly. Israel has occupied the West Bank and Gaza for five decades. The Palestinians who live in those places are not allowed to form their own government and seek recognition from other governments, travel without restriction, etc. The people who live in them are not allowed to vote in Israeli elections and no election stations are set up there. The are not incorporated into Israel and given any of those rights largely for the reason to keep them from voting. There is a large movement in Israel, led by the current far right wing government, to move the nation further to being a nation of Jews, and not just people who were born there and lived their whole lives there. A democracy is where in a geographic area controlled by that country, all the adults who live there or are born there get to vote in national and local elections. It is, as Jimmy Carter has correctly pointed out, an apartheid system. Of course he was attacked ad hominem for pointing out that fact. Anyone who criticizes Israel, including Penelope Cruz lately, is blacklisted. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/48 "2014-08-19T19:11:21Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Is that not fascism? “Fascism” doesn’t mean “things I don’t like.” ---
**Author:** ![tullsterx](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tullsterx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tullsterx)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/49 "2014-08-19T19:16:25Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Conflating genocidal Israelis with Jews is despicable. We are comparing Israelis to Nazis here. An apt comparison according to many Holocaust survivors and most of the world’s opinion. > > http://ijsn.net/gaza/survivors\_and\_descendents-letter/ > > Don’t be a propagandist for genocide. Don’t be a Goebbels. What the Nazis did to the Jews is no justification for what Israelis are doing to the Gazans. If you don’t want the world thinking that Israelis are a subset of Jews similar to how Nazis were a subset of Germans, then perhaps start denouncing it instead of obfuscating it. Collective punishment is a crime against humanity. The rounding up of Jews and keeping them in Ghettos like in Warsaw and periodically committing murders against all of them when some of them fight back is the exact same crime being committed by Israel against the Gazans. Remind me. . . who here wants to kill the Jews? Oh, that’s right Hamas! Hamas are obviously the Nazis in this scenario. If during WWII the Jews had the resources to fight back against Nazi Germany, then that would look more similar to current situation. I don’t believe you can support Hamas without supporting the killing of Jews. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/50 "2014-08-19T19:19:11Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > He said nothing of the sort, and you are putting words in his mouth that he did not utter. Israel gave him a medal for saving a Jewish girl from the Nazis. He never said anything about regretting that action. Israel killed six of his relatives. He is not obliged to let Israel associate with his righteous actions. You are the one doing the conflating. Badly. > > Israel has occupied the West Bank and Gaza for five decades. The Palestinians who live in those places are not allowed to form their own government and seek recognition from other governments, travel without restriction, etc. The people who live in them are not allowed to vote in Israeli elections and no election stations are set up there. The are not incorporated into Israel and given any of those rights largely for the reason to keep them from voting. There is a large movement in Israel, led by the current far right wing government, to move the nation further to being a nation of Jews, and not just people who were born there and lived their whole lives there. A democracy is where in a geographic area controlled by that country, all the adults who live there or are born there get to vote in national and local elections. It is, as Jimmy Carter has correctly pointed out, an apartheid system. Of course he was attacked ad hominem for pointing out that fact. Anyone who criticizes Israel, including Penelope Cruz lately, is blacklisted. Hamas was duly elected in Gaza. Israel does not control Gaza - Hamas does. Arabs who live in Israel vote in Israeli elections. The Palestinians do not want Israel to incorporate their lands into Israel. See, the problem with your position is that you are simply wrong on the most basic facts. Never mind labelling anyone who contradicts you a “monsterous fascist”, which is just bad form. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/51 "2014-08-19T19:23:35Z")
> [@C\_K\_Dexter\_Haven](#): > > My comment was not directed at you, but at this Dutch guy, who is saying, in effect, that he’s sorry he saved some Jews from being gassed by the Nazis, because Israel is misbehaving now. He’s the one doing the conflating, not I. > > And I think it’s absurd. Might was well say, “Nigeria is doing dreadful things, I’m sorry that I supported the equal rights movement for blacks.” Or Sudan is engaged in genocide, I’m sorry I gave money to the Ethiopian charity." It’s racist, not to say stupid. In 1969, John Kerry received a bronze star for saving the life of a Green Beret named John Rassman, who had fallen overboard during a firefight. In 1971, that star was among the medals that Kerry threw away during an anti-war protest. Do you think that his action indicates that Kerry now wishes he had let Rassman drown? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/52 "2014-08-19T19:53:17Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > Hamas was duly elected in Gaza. Israel does not control Gaza - Hamas does. Arabs who live in Israel vote in Israeli elections. > > The Palestinians do not want Israel to incorporate their lands into Israel. > > See, the problem with your position is that you are simply wrong on the most basic facts. Never mind labelling anyone who contradicts you a “monsterous fascist”, which is just bad form. Hamas is not a legitimate government recognized by the international community, which is the definition of legitimate government. It is a bunch of violent extremists. You next point out that Palestinians do not want Israel to incorporate their lands. No they don’t and they didn’t. Yet Israel incorporates what lands it pleases and fences off the rest and objects to self-governance recognized as governance by other states (and Israel) for any Palestinians. Operating ghettos is monstrous and fascist. That is what Gaza is. Five decades of oppression, killing at will, letting what Israel considers criminal extremists run and dominate it. Blockading it. [Fascism - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism) ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/53 "2014-08-19T20:49:15Z")
You link to an article about “fascism”, yet you obviously didn’t read it, because you continue to use the word incorrectly. Hint: fascism doesn’t just mean “evil”. It’s a complicated political ideology. At least you’re not calling them Nazis any more. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/54 "2014-08-19T20:55:34Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Hamas is not a legitimate government recognized by the international community, which is the definition of legitimate government. It is a bunch of violent extremists. So? Your objection was that Palestinians in Gaza didn’t get to vote. The fact that they voted in a bunch of lunatics doesn’t support you. > [@](#): > > You next point out that Palestinians do not want Israel to incorporate their lands. No they don’t and they didn’t. Yet Israel incorporates what lands it pleases and fences off the rest and objects to self-governance recognized as governance by other states (and Israel) for any Palestinians. You just pointed out that Hamas is, and I quote, “a bunch of violent extremists”. Now you are angry that Israel opposes their recognition? I will grant that successive Israeli governments have used the power imbalance between them and the Palestinians to steal bits of land, which is bad. > [@](#): > > Operating ghettos is monstrous and fascist. That is what Gaza is. Five decades of oppression, killing at will, letting what Israel considers criminal extremists run and dominate it. Blockading it. [Fascism - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism) I doubt adding a wiki link to “fascism” is helping you here. Are you blaming Israel for “letting” Hamas run the place? How, exactly, would Israel stop Hamas from running Gaza? Are you arguing for a more thorough Israeli invasion, to get rid of Hamas once and for all? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/55 "2014-08-19T21:15:23Z")
Fascists and Nazis are pretty much the same thing, Nazis being a bit worse than other fascists. And they don’t get to vote for Knessett and have never been offered that. They get to vote for whichever criminals are the most intimidating. I’m arguing for Israel to take full responsibility for a ghetto that they surround, control, invade and kill at will. If they believe the members of Hamas are criminals, seize those members and have them tried before a jury of their peers, like in a real democracy. And if Israelis bait and machine gun children, then they get tried by their peers in the jurisdiction that it happened. You shoot rockets into Israel, then you get tried in the community you allegedly shot the rockets into. You come into Gaza and machine gun little boys, or bomb hospitals, you go to Gaza and get tried by a jury there. You claim to be a democracy, everybody gets to vote in the national elections. You don’t set up a ghetto and pretend it is legal. A country is not a country unless recognized by the international community. Gaza is not a country. ---
**Author:** ![Malthus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/85f322/32.png) [@Malthus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malthus)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/56 "2014-08-19T21:18:59Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > Fascists and Nazis are pretty much the same thing, Nazis being a bit worse than other fascists. And they don’t get to vote for Knessett and have never been offered that. They get to vote for whichever criminals are the most intimidating. > > I’m arguing for Israel to take full responsibility for a ghetto that they surround, control, invade and kill at will. > > If they believe the members of Hamas are criminals, seize those members and have them tried before a jury of their peers, like in a real democracy. And if Israelis bait and machine gun children, then they get tried by their peers in the jurisdiction that it happened. You shoot rockets into Israel, then you get tried in the community you allegedly shot the rockets into. You come into Gaza and machine gun little boys, or bomb hospitals, you go to Gaza and get tried by a jury there. > > You claim to be a democracy, everybody gets to vote in the national elections. You don’t set up a ghetto and pretend it is legal. A country is not a country unless recognized by the international community. Gaza is not a country. So you are arguing for Israel to invade Gaza - and arrest the entirety of Hamas, no less. Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that if Israel followed this advice, you would not find the resulting carnage justified, or think they are any less “fascist”? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2014, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/57 "2014-08-19T23:39:31Z")
> [@Malthus](#): > > So you are arguing for Israel to invade Gaza - and arrest the entirety of Hamas, no less. > > Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that if Israel followed this advice, you would not find the resulting carnage justified, or think they are any less “fascist”? No. I am not arguing for an invasion or an arrest of members of a political party. I am arguing for the arrest by the real authorities of people they claim to be criminals launching rockets. Indictments by name if they know them. There are people there entitled to a real government, not Thunderdome. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/58 "2014-08-20T00:01:19Z")
> [@The\_Second\_Stone](#): > > No. I am not arguing for an invasion or an arrest of members of a political party. I am arguing for the arrest by the real authorities of people they claim to be criminals launching rockets. Indictments by name if they know them. There are people there entitled to a real government, not Thunderdome. How would they arrest them without going into Gaza? Do you really think they’ll just go to the border and turn themselves in? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/59 "2014-08-20T00:13:40Z")
Israel’s military has grossly overstepped in this conflict, and their thin veneer of humantiarian warfare–“knock-knock missiles” my left foot–is easily exposed by the actual costs in civilian lives of their actions. Comparisons between them and Nazis are obscenely foolish, and **Lavenderblue** is unfortunately right: terrible arguments like that are only likely to make average Israelis support their government all the more. **Second Stone** , consider that you might harden positions and lead, in your own small way, to more civilian deaths. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Second\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/bbe5ce/32.png) [@The\_Second\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Second_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2014, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760/60 "2014-08-20T03:33:04Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Israel’s military has grossly overstepped in this conflict, and their thin veneer of humantiarian warfare–“knock-knock missiles” my left foot–is easily exposed by the actual costs in civilian lives of their actions. > > Comparisons between them and Nazis are obscenely foolish, and **Lavenderblue** is unfortunately right: terrible arguments like that are only likely to make average Israelis support their government all the more. **Second Stone** , consider that you might harden positions and lead, in your own small way, to more civilian deaths. Yeah, me and Dr. Meyer and all that blood on our hands. We say anything and you will make sure it is worse on the Gazans. As if killing them isn't enough. If we don't shut up about it what will you do next? Cancel their summer vacations? Really, Left Hand of Dorkness, what exactly are you planning to do to demonstrate your hardened position and get revenge for my postings on a message board? They are being imprisoned and killed, you do understand that? This isn’t going to stop, and it is going to continue to get worse until Jews speak up and demand it be stopped and reversed. The racist genocide has gone on for more than 50 years and does just get worse. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-returns-holocaust-medal/695760.md?page=4)