# Man robs bank for $1 just so he can get health care in jail ! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 22, 2011, 12:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412 "2011-06-22T12:28:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/101 "2011-06-24T22:30:33Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > “Pride forbids it!” Hey, taxpayers, can you get this one, babe? I’m too proud to move with my sister. Holy shit! Seriously? If conservatives wanted to make those who support health care reform sound patently ridiculous, they need only quote you. You want to redistribute income so somebody’s pride won’t be impaired? And if he’s too proud to move in with his sister, why not too proud to stay out of jail? That’s not pride, that’s mooching. I don’t think it has anything to do with pride. It’s possible that his siblings aren’t in any position to put him up without suffering undue hardship as a result themselves. Or they are unwilling to put him up without putting demands on him that he can’t meet. Who the fuck knows? Not you. But you’re perfectly willing to assert that he’s not working because he’s lazy and his alleged pain is a ruse to justify his not actually wanting to work. And you know this because…why again? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/102 "2011-06-24T22:30:42Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > Christ Almighty, it’s even worse than a Wikipedia link. … True, kinda like how a Hampton Inn isn’t the Waldorf-Astoria? CMC fnord! Anybody else feel like finding out if Gastonia, NC has any cheaper temporary accommodations than the Hampton Inn? 'Cause I actually do have the fucking Google redirect virus, and without my [del]rifle[/del] Google, I am nothing. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/103 "2011-06-24T22:33:59Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > I’d still like to know where you got that Mr. Verone had exhausted unemployment benefits and food stamps and was subsequently denied SSI/SSDI. Sounds to me like your jumping to conclusions and making your case based on what you want to believe. Your right. The article mentioned he’s on food stamps, and eligibility for food stamps is limited to 3 months for [able-bodied adults without dependents](http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/rules/Memo/PRWORA/abawds/abawdspage.htm), unless working or enrolled in a workfare (neither of which is the case here). However, that limitation is waived for people over 50. So poor Mr. Verone probably was already receiving some benefits—but he wanted more free money. Unemployment is not mentioned, although he was terminated from jobs recently. Since he is collecting one form of benefits, I’d be surprised if he had not also applied for UI, but I don’t know that. I do think it’s probable. Unless he was not eligible for UI due to his termination being for cause (such as absenteeism, on-the-job intoxication, destruction or theft of property, etc.) My guess, and again, only a guess, is that if he was on food stamps, he probably had a case worker who helped him apply for them. This case worker would also have helped him apply for medicaid and disability. This is the biggest reach I’m making, but it does strain credulity that he would go to jail for healthcare before trying the very obvious alternatives of medicaid and disability. ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/104 "2011-06-24T22:38:57Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > I don’t think it has anything to do with pride. It’s possible that his siblings aren’t in any position to put him up without suffering undue hardship as a result themselves. Or they are unwilling to put him up without putting demands on him that he can’t meet. Who the fuck knows? Not you. But you’re perfectly willing to assert that he’s not working because he’s lazy and his alleged pain is a ruse to justify his not actually wanting to work. And you know this because…why again? I was quoting what it seems **Lobohan** believes is an acceptable reason for a person to demand public support. Read his post again: “You have $300 to your name and just got kicked out of your apartment. No family can or will take you in (or _ **pride forbids it** _). It’s getting on nightfall, and there is a $90 a night hotel nearby. What do you do?” I think the very plain intendment of what I bolded is: If you get kicked out of your home, and maybe Mom and Dad will take you in—but they cramp your style, yanno?—well then society owes you a hotel room. Do you agree with him on that, **B.E.G.**? ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/105 "2011-06-24T22:43:07Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > I was quoting what it seems **Lobohan** believes is an acceptable reason for a person to demand public support. Read his post again: “You have $300 to your name and just got kicked out of your apartment. No family can or will take you in (or _ **pride forbids it** _). It’s getting on nightfall, and there is a $90 a night hotel nearby. What do you do?” > > I think the very plain intendment of what I bolded is: If you get kicked out of your home, and maybe Mom and Dad will take you in—but they cramp your style, yanno?—well then society owes you a hotel room. > > Do you agree with him on that, **B.E.G.**? Again, lying bitch, I was trying to head off an objection I assumed you’d make. But as I mentioned, you’re so dishonest that you’d focus on this and not answer the question. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/106 "2011-06-24T22:48:22Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > Also, he didn’t get kicked out of his apartment. He didn’t renew his lease. So, he likely could have negotiated with his landlord a deal to pay half the rent now and the other half after he got back to work. (I’ll allow this is speculative. But certainly no more ridiculously speculative than those poor people living it up at the Waldorf-Astoria for a night or two before homelessness.) He didn’t do this because he didn’t want to go back to work. (He sense of entitlement to leisure forbade it!!) I base this not on speculation of his motives, but on the fact that he could not hold on to his most recent low-skilled employment. But you don’t know this. How do you know he didn’t try to negotiate and his landlord said, “No, thanks”? It’s already been pointed out to you that the replacement jobs he had were very physically labor intensive and could not be easily performed by a guy with chronic back pain. But you’ve concluded, based on a couple of media reports, that his pain is a lie because…why again? ---
**Author:** ![Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimmy_Gibbler)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/107 "2011-06-24T22:49:01Z")
The [Gaston Gazette](http://www.gastongazette.com/articles/bank-58397-richard-hailed.html) confirms some of my suspicions: > [@](#): > > Verone _ **looked into filing for disability.** _ He applied for early Social Security. > > _ **The only thing Verone qualified for was food stamps.** _ The extra money helped, but he felt desperate. He needed to get medical attention, and _ **he refused to be a burden on his sister and brothers.** _ > “The pain was beyond the tolerance that I could accept,” he said. “I kind of hit a brick wall with everything.” > > A couple of months ago Verone started weighing his options. > > He considered turning to a homeless shelter and seeking medical help through charitable organizations. > > Then he had another idea: commit a crime and get set up with a place to stay, food and doctors. So: He didn’t qualify for SSI/SSDI (probably because he was still physically or mentally able to work—it wasn’t failure to meet the asset/resource tests, or he wouldn’t have qualified for food stamps). The medical complaint is entirely subjective: pain. Gosh, good thing it’s impossible to say you hurt when you don’t. Otherwise we might get some fakers! He didn’t want to burden his family or take advantage of the safety net we do have and which would have kept him minimally fed, sheltered, and treated. Instead, he wanted something more generous. But if you want something more generous, _ **you go out, get a fuckin’ job, and pay for it yourself** _, not ask society for a mile instead of an inch. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/108 "2011-06-24T22:55:58Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > True, kinda like how a Hampton Inn isn’t the Waldorf-Astoria? > > CMC fnord! > Anybody else feel like finding out if Gastonia, NC has any cheaper temporary accommodations than the Hampton Inn? > 'Cause I actually do have the fucking Google redirect virus, and without my [del]rifle[/del] Google, I am nothing. ☹ I don’t know about Gastonia, but it’s just outside of Charlotte, NC. I just checked out the Extended Stay America in Charlotte and it’s $50.99/night if you book a month, but that’s still twice his previous rent. He could stay at the Motel 6 out at the Charlotte Douglass Airport for about $24/night if he booked a month. There are cheaper places to stay than the Hampton Inn, but I’m guessing that without any job prospects and significantly reduced income on top of medical issues that made most jobs difficult to say the least, Mr. Verone wasn’t planning all that far in advance to getting kicked out a cheap motel. ---
**Author:** ![Blalron](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/35a633/32.png) [@Blalron](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blalron)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/109 "2011-06-24T23:07:51Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > Christ Almighty, it’s even worse than a Wikipedia link. Random bullshit on blogs counts as a legitimate cite these days? It happened to be the first link that appeared on a google search. And while it may be just a blog, if you had bothered to actually read it you’d see it refers to legitimate research. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/110 "2011-06-24T23:09:50Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > Your right. The article mentioned he’s on food stamps, and eligibility for food stamps is limited to 3 months for [able-bodied adults without dependents](http://www.fns.usda.gov/snap/rules/Memo/PRWORA/abawds/abawdspage.htm), unless working or enrolled in a workfare (neither of which is the case here). However, that limitation is waived for people over 50. So poor Mr. Verone probably was already receiving some benefits—but he wanted more free money. Food stamps don’t pay the rent or medical expenses. Why do you refer to food stamps as ‘free money’? It’s not free money. It’s vouchers for food. Well, it’s a debit card, these days, but you can’t even buy toilet paper with it. It’s only for food. Are you suggesting he’s a mooch for being eligible for governmental nutrition assistance and utilizing this assistance to get something to eat? > [@](#): > > Unemployment is not mentioned, although he was terminated from jobs recently. Since he is collecting one form of benefits, I’d be surprised if he had not also applied for UI, but I don’t know that. I do think it’s probable. Unless he was not eligible for UI due to his termination being for cause (such as absenteeism, on-the-job intoxication, destruction or theft of property, etc.) Or he’s collecting unemployment, but based on low wages from his previous part-time job, it’s not enough to pay for rent and medical expenses. Or his unemployment ran out. It doesn’t go on indefinitely, you know. Conceivable? > [@](#): > > My guess, and again, only a guess, is that if he was on food stamps, he probably had a case worker who helped him apply for them. This case worker would also have helped him apply for medicaid and disability. This is the biggest reach I’m making, but it does strain credulity that he would go to jail for healthcare before trying the very obvious alternatives of medicaid and disability. The key here is that you keep guessing and your guesses are all along the lines of Mr. Verone not deserving any assistance because he’s lazy. Again, do you realize that it can take time for SSDI to go through even if the applicant needs it and should have it. Anecdotally, my dad, who has numerous health problems and is no longer able to work, was denied with his first application. It took over two years to get approval and by that time, the government sent him a lump sum backdated to his initial claim. What would he have done in those intervening years while waiting for the government to spool the red tape if he hadn’t had any other financial means? He eventually got the assistance he was entitled to all along, but fat lotta good it did him when he first applied for it. Maybe that’s why someone who lacks the resources my dad had will go to the extreme means of committing a crime to procure medical care. You think just maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/111 "2011-06-24T23:16:21Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > The medical complaint is entirely subjective: pain. Gosh, good thing it’s impossible to say you hurt when you don’t. Otherwise we might get some fakers! If only some sort of expert existed that could determine if your pain was real or imaginary. Then, if he could afford it, he could go to one to determine that. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/112 "2011-06-24T23:35:51Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Naaaa. > > They’re all just lazy people who did not plan ahead, and stow away 100K in a savings account in case they ever needed a heart bypass operation or a kidney transplant. Why should we subsidize the poor planners? > > And after all, EVERYbody can purchase health insurance, right? right? \ > > The guy in the OP should have done what everyone else in the US does who cannot afford healthcare - go to the overburdened emergency room for treatment, at 10X the cost of the treatment he really needed. The cost, incidentally, which is covered by those of you with insurance. Very, very inefficiently. My husband spent 20 years in a thankless job in the US Navy so we have what passes for health care for the rest of our lives. And a very minimal retirement pay. Of course if I divorce him I am fucked because of all the health issues I have I will never be able to get any sort of decent health insurance on my own. ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/113 "2011-06-24T23:41:57Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > I don’t think it has anything to do with pride. It’s possible that his siblings aren’t in any position to put him up without suffering undue hardship as a result themselves. Or they are unwilling to put him up without putting demands on him that he can’t meet. Who the fuck knows? Not you. But you’re perfectly willing to assert that he’s not working because he’s lazy and his alleged pain is a ruse to justify his not actually wanting to work. And you know this because…why again? I couldn’t put my brother up for any great period of time, about the only horizontal space left in the place for sleeping is the living room couch. Of course, he lives almost 500 miles away, and the job market sucks. He would be better off in western NY state where he lives trying to bum space off friends. You do realize that currently most people do not have huge houses with plenty of space and spare bedrooms? Most people I know live in 1 or 2 bedroom apartments, and fairly modest houses. Most of the big old rambling houses seem to have been converted to apartments. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/114 "2011-06-24T23:43:52Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > I was quoting what it seems **Lobohan** believes is an acceptable reason for a person to demand public support. Read his post again: “You have $300 to your name and just got kicked out of your apartment. No family can or will take you in (or _ **pride forbids it** _). It’s getting on nightfall, and there is a $90 a night hotel nearby. What do you do?” > > I think the very plain intendment of what I bolded is: If you get kicked out of your home, and maybe Mom and Dad will take you in—but they cramp your style, yanno?—well then society owes you a hotel room. > > Do you agree with him on that, **B.E.G.**? I realize that, but it’s a shame that you latched on that particular phrase, which no, I don’t agree with. Try to read that scenario again and replace “(or pride forbids it)” with “(but your family can’t afford another mouth and doesn’t have the space)” or “(but you’re related to a guy who believes you’re lazy because you’re unemployed and would rather you reaped what he figures you’d sown)”. Try to imagine the scenario where the guy has pretty much gone down every road and still come up short. Kind of like what Mr. Verone is saying is the case. Try to give him the benefit of the doubt just once. The situation he’s claiming certainly isn’t out of the realm of all possibility, is it? ---
**Author:** ![aruvqan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aruvqan/32/2891_2.png) [@aruvqan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aruvqan)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/115 "2011-06-24T23:45:02Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > Again, do you realize that it can take time for SSDI to go through even if the applicant needs it and should have it. Ask our very own Quasimodem about trying to get SSDI … I don’t know about you, but personally I do not want a respiratory tech with Alzheimers working on me … Sorry Quasi, I love you dearly but I also know what it does to memory and ability to track tasks. ---
**Author:** ![bdgr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a87d85/32.png) [@bdgr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bdgr)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2011, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/116 "2011-06-24T23:53:06Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > The [Gaston Gazette](http://www.gastongazette.com/articles/bank-58397-richard-hailed.html) confirms some of my suspicions: > > So: > > He didn’t qualify for SSI/SSDI (probably because he was still physically or mentally able to work To qualify for that takes months, and often a lawyer. many people who are disabled don’t ever make it through the process. > [@](#): > > The medical complaint is entirely subjective: pain. Gosh, good thing it’s impossible to say you hurt when you don’t. Otherwise we might get some fakers! Nonsense. A ruptured disk is not at all subjective. They have all kinds of fancy gizmos…those new fangled xray machines, MRI, etc that can verify it. The testing I went through for it was long and painful but the doctor knew exactly what was wrong and where before he cut into me. ---
**Author:** ![randy054](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@randy054](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randy054)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/117 "2011-06-25T19:37:34Z")
Kudos to MR. Verone. This is basically what it comes down to. A dog eat dog survival of the fittest type world. You have the cockroaches and rats on Wall Street and in the government that twist and bend rules along with their slimy lawyers, or just make them up to help their pockets out, to the detriment of millions of people. What is so wrong about someone creating his own “loopholes” to help himself out? Ahh you say, he is not playing by the rules, but that would be the rules created against him and for the benefit of those at the top. More of this needs to happen. ---
**Author:** ![randy054](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/54ee81/32.png) [@randy054](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randy054)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/118 "2011-06-25T19:45:59Z")
> [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](#): > > But you don’t know this. How do you know he didn’t try to negotiate and his landlord said, “No, thanks”? > > It’s already been pointed out to you that the replacement jobs he had were very physically labor intensive and could not be easily performed by a guy with chronic back pain. But you’ve concluded, based on a couple of media reports, that his pain is a lie because…why again? The link that was posted above already does quite a good job in displaying the illogical fallacies Kim so mightily exhibits, which I have seen in many other people. “It has to be the case that whatever a position a person is in, is all through their own actions, and they alone are responsible” This type of thinking would be true if we all were born isolated and apart on a deserted island from day one. As long as we are born together and around each other, we all have a responsibility to ourselves and to others because what benefits ourselves benefits others and what benefits others benefits ourselves, but the arrogant and selfish time were are living in is all about ME, MINE and myself, so I don’t blame people like this that show a basic reflection in the mirror to others what is going on in our country. ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/119 "2011-06-25T20:01:08Z")
Jeez, if the guy didn’t mind going to prison, maybe he should have actually tried to rob the bank. If caught, he goes to prison anyway, but he also has the chance of getting away with it. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2011, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412/120 "2011-06-25T20:50:12Z")
> [@Kimmy\_Gibbler](#): > > …The medical complaint is entirely subjective: pain. Gosh, good thing it’s impossible to say you hurt when you don’t. Otherwise we might get some fakers!.. Step over here, and I will demonstrate the difference in a clear and unambiguous demonstration. But first…is it safe? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-robs-bank-for-1-just-so-he-can-get-health-care-in-jail/586412.md?page=7)