# Man Shoots/Kills 18 Yr Old Daughter by Accident **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 16, 2013, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100 "2013-06-16T00:28:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2013, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100/41 "2013-06-16T21:54:17Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > No accident. [Negligent Discharge.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negligent_discharge) > > [From This site.](http://www.shouselaw.com/pc246-3.html) I’m not sure what that cite’s supposed to prove. Are you under the impression that something being accidental negates the possibility of criminal wrongdoing? Look, the guy either intentionally shot his daughter, or he accidentally shot his daughter. There is no third option - it’s got to be one or the other. If you accept the guy’s story, the shooting was accidental. The shooting was also stupid, easily avoidable, and criminally negligent, but it’s no less an accident for all that. ---
**Author:** ![artemis](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/91b2a8/32.png) [@artemis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/artemis)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2013, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100/42 "2013-06-16T23:08:51Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > What do you think the word “accident” means? An unfortunate event that couldn’t have reasonably been predicted or prevented. This was neither. ---
**Author:** ![Suburban\_Plankton](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/suburban_plankton/32/219_2.png) [@Suburban\_Plankton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Suburban_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2013, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100/43 "2013-06-16T23:27:57Z")
> [@Grumman](#): > > No, you don’t. Deliberately aiming a gun at someone and deliberately pulling the trigger without checking whether the gun is loaded is literally the textbook example of depraved-heart murder. Even after checking whether the gun is loaded, it’s a stupid, idiotic, brainless, careless, dangerous, stupid thing to do. We own guns. Even if I’ve just disassembled and reassembled one of them, so that I know that it’s _physically impossible_ for it to be loaded, I would never point it at another person, much less pull the trigger. That falls under the category of “things you just plain don’t do, for any reason, ever”. ---
**Author:** ![lavenderviolet](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/cdc98d/32.png) [@lavenderviolet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lavenderviolet)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100/44 "2013-06-17T01:08:39Z")
My knee jerk reaction: It probably wasn’t an accident. Maybe they got into a heated argument and the dad impulsively shot her or something. That seems a lot more plausible to me than someone “accidentally” pointing a loaded gun at a loved one. Sad, regardless. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![MacTech](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c0e974/32.png) [@MacTech](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MacTech)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100/45 "2013-06-17T02:52:56Z")
The Four Rules of firearm safety; 1; all guns are always loaded (treat every gun like it’s loaded and ready to fire) - idiot violated this one because he thought it was unloaded 2; NEVER point a firearm at anything you are unwilling to destroy - gross violation of rule 2 3; Keep your finger off the trigger until your sights are on target and ready to shoot - gross violation of rule 3 4; know your target, and what lies beyond it - violated this rule too All four safety rules violated, and an innocent girl dead because of the male genetic donor’s negligence This is clearly NOT an accident, this is at bare minimum, criminal negligence and manslaughter ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100/46 "2013-06-17T03:47:16Z")
\*I brought you in this world, and I can take you out. \* Bill Cosby ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100/47 "2013-06-17T07:24:53Z")
> [@artemis](#): > > An unfortunate event that couldn’t have reasonably been predicted or prevented. Yeah, that’s not what the word means. ---
**Author:** ![drewtwo99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d07c76/32.png) [@drewtwo99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/drewtwo99)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 8:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100/48 "2013-06-17T08:16:44Z")
I am going to go for the gold here and say that it was an accident and also murder. ---
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100/49 "2013-06-17T08:30:17Z")
> [@drewtwo99](#): > > I am going to go for the gold here and say that it was an accident and also murder. I’m afraid you just get the silver. Gold to anyone who thinks it was accident, murder, _and_ negligence. But I don’t understand the story, assuming he really did think the gun was empty. Was firing an empty gun at someone a sort of “love pat” in that family? Was it his way of expressing displeasure at who she was dating? ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100/50 "2013-06-17T08:44:59Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > No accident. [Negligent Discharge.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negligent_discharge) > > [From This site.](http://www.shouselaw.com/pc246-3.html) > \*\* > \*\* Yep, you are wrong-O. From your cite, you should note the word ‘willful’. ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 8:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100/51 "2013-06-17T08:51:00Z")
I’m really amazed that any kind of idiot would point a gun at anybody they loved and pull the trigger. I rather suspect that there is more to the story than ol’ dad is letting on. If not, then I do not think that there is a word or phrase in our language that expresses his stupidity! I really, really marvel at what he did. “Hey, baby, come here and look at this! Surprise! Ha -h…Ooopssss…!” If a father’s stupidity causes their child’s death, I often believe that they have been punished enough, but, for this character, I could even go with a very long prison sentence. Hard labor is optional. ETA: Oops! Forgot to add sterilization. Not mandatory. Not necessary to stop at the testcles. ---
**Author:** ![Kimballkid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/b5a626/32.png) [@Kimballkid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimballkid)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100/52 "2013-06-17T16:22:34Z")
> [@runner pat](#): > > [From This site.](http://www.shouselaw.com/pc246-3.html) Since this happened in Iowa, it may be more relevant to look up the laws are there that may be applicable. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100/53 "2013-06-17T19:46:50Z")
> [@Der\_Trihs](#): > > Guns aren’t toys, and treating them as such is a major reason why so many Americans get killed by them in my opinion. Mainly it’s suicides followed by homicides. In which case it seems to me that most of the killing is being done by people who know exactly how to treat a firearm. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2013, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100/54 "2013-06-17T20:56:54Z")
> [@Waenara](#): > > > [@Sailboat](#): > > > > If it’s an accident, can it be homicide? I’m unclear on the technicalities, but I don’t recall seeing accidents described as homicides before. > > Homicide doesn’t necessarily mean murder. Homicide just means it’s an act of one human killing another - it’s one of the most general ways to categorize a type of death (e.g. homicide, suicide, natural death). > [sub]ETA: I should have refreshed the page before posting, as **Senegoid** beat me to it. [/sub] Coroner & PD definitions don’t always match. – A pulls a knife & mugs B; B then pulls a gun & shoots/kills A. Coroner’s cause of death on death certificate: Homicide PD: justifiable self-defense; no charges files – C spends the night in a bar & then drives home, having an accident & killing D Coroner’s cause of death on death certificate: Trauma/Motor Vehicle Accident PD: DUI/Homicide charges filed. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100/55 "2013-08-02T22:18:57Z")
"n Ankeny father who shot and killed his daughter in the apartment they shared in June will go to trial in September, according to a court filing today. Scott Hazelbaker, 51, faces counts of involuntary manslaughter and assault causing injury in the death of his daughter, Emily Hazelbaker, 18. The two were reportedly in the kitchen of their apartment on June 14 when Hazelbaker pointed and shot a loaded handgun at his daughter." > **[The Des Moines Register - Des Moines, Iowa, News and Sports](https://www.desmoinesregister.com)** > > The Des Moines Register is the number one source for Des Moines and Iowa breaking, politics, business, agriculture, Iowa sports and entertainment news. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100/56 "2013-08-02T23:08:53Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > "n Ankeny father who shot and killed his daughter in the apartment they shared in June will go to trial in September, according to a court filing today. > > Scott Hazelbaker, 51, faces counts of involuntary manslaughter and assault causing injury in the death of his daughter, Emily Hazelbaker, 18. The two were reportedly in the kitchen of their apartment on June 14 when Hazelbaker pointed and shot a loaded handgun at his daughter." > [Home](http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2013/08/02/ankeny-dad-facing-charges-in-daughters-death-will-go-to-trial-in-september/article?nclick_check=1) Sounds legally reasonable: Voluntarily pointing and triggering a weapon at someone is assault. A death having been the consequence of the injuries resulting from that assault, though it was not the intent, is manslaughter. And society charges criminally because as mentioned by an earlier poster, “he has suffered enough” does not redress the injury to society… and because with a felony conviction the state then may _ban him from owning and bearing_ firearms from here on which is probably what many would want to be sure of. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100/57 "2013-08-02T23:23:19Z")
> [@PastTense](#): > > “The case remains under investigation. However, early reports suggest Scott Hazelbaker pointed the handgun at his daughter and pulled the trigger without knowing a bullet was loaded in the gun,” according to an Ankeny police statement issued Saturday." > [http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20130615/NEWS/130615004/1001/](http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20130615/NEWS/130615004/1001/) “ **Man Shoots/Kills 18 Yr Old Daughter by Accident** ” I’m going to hell for noting the relationship between the OP’s headline and his user name… I know, it is a tragedy of the highest order. But that really really dark little voice in my head is giggling a little, dammit. Too many Tarantino movies… ---
**Author:** ![handsomeharry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e9c0ed/32.png) [@handsomeharry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/handsomeharry)\ **Post date:** [August 2, 2013, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100/58 "2013-08-02T23:35:08Z")
> [@miss\_elizabeth](#): > > I think he should be charged with murder, not because his losing his daughter isn’t enough punishment, but because there needs to be a clear message in society that we will not tolerate irresponsibility with deadly weapons. So, what should people who \*actually \*commit murder be charged with? And, what message would we want to send in that case? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-shoots-kills-18-yr-old-daughter-by-accident/661100.md?page=2)