# Man Thows Shoes at W: Can He Sink Lower? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [December 14, 2008, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-thows-shoes-at-w-can-he-sink-lower/477137 "2008-12-14T18:21:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-thows-shoes-at-w-can-he-sink-lower/477137/161 "2008-12-18T20:26:27Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Oh, really? And you know this how? > > Oh my goodness. What a bold and and strange statement to make—oh wait, it would be, IF people in this thread were defending torture, to even a small degree. But I can’t seem to find them. Maybe you’d be so good as to point them out. I understand that you haven’t defended torture in this thread. Good for you. But I never accused you of being a torture defender. I accused you of being disingenous about your certainty that Zaidi hadn’t been tortured. Because, as you know, lots of people in US custody have been tortured. I’m glad you refrain from defending such torture, but your lack of defense of torture doesn’t mean that the torture didn’t happen. It did happen, you know it, I know it, the American people know it. Since you and I know that all sorts of people who found themselves in US custody in Iraq ended up tortured regardless of their guilt or innocence, it shouldn’t be absurd to wonder if reports that Zaidi also ended up tortured turn out to be true. Because when a guy ends up in an Iraqi prison, or an American prison in Iraq, he might easily be tortured, because that frequently happens in those prisons. Even if such torture would be extremely embarassing to the United States given the high profile of the Zaidi case. All it would take is for the prison bigwigs to assume that the guards are smart enough to know to keep their hands off the guy when the guards aren’t that smart. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2008, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-thows-shoes-at-w-can-he-sink-lower/477137/162 "2008-12-18T21:07:22Z")
‘Mr. al-Maliki, you were nice to me when I interviewed you in 2005, so please be nice to me now and let me go.’ [Link](http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9555QEO0&show_article=1) Hey, putz! Throwing shoes at a head of state is slightly different than sitting down for an interview with one. ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [December 21, 2008, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-thows-shoes-at-w-can-he-sink-lower/477137/163 "2008-12-21T19:58:51Z")
[Shoe Hurled at Bush Flies Off Turkish Maker’s Shelves](http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=auI050ptHyPg&refer=europe) > [@](#): > > The shoe hurled at President George W. Bush has sent sales soaring at the Turkish maker as orders pour in from Iraq, the U.S. and Iran. > … > Baydan has received orders for 300,000 pairs of the shoes since the attack, more than four times the number his company sold each year since the model was introduced in 1999. The company plans to employ 100 more staff to meet demand, he said. > > “Model 271” is exported to markets including Iraq, Iran, Syria and Egypt. Customers in Iraq ordered 120,000 pairs this week and some Iraqis offered to set up distribution companies for the shoe, Baydan said. If any dopers wish to ordert a pair, Baydan-Ducati has a [very flashy website.](http://www.baydanshoes.com/) in Turkish and English. In “apology” related news: [Iraqi shoe-thrower: I would do it again](http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=79011§ionid=351020201) > [@](#): > > “In a letter to Iraqi prime minister, Muntadhar al-Zaidi has only apologized to Nuri al-Maliki himself,” Fardanews reported, citing comments by an Iraqi source familiar with the case. > > “He said that he felt no remorse for throwing his shoes at the ‘Great Satan’, George Bush, and added that he would repeat his actions if he sees him again, because Bush’s forces have killed many of Iraq’s children,” added the source. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2008, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-thows-shoes-at-w-can-he-sink-lower/477137/164 "2008-12-22T15:00:07Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > [Shoe Hurled at Bush Flies Off Turkish Maker’s Shelves](http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=auI050ptHyPg&refer=europe)If any dopers wish to ordert a pair, Baydan-Ducati has a [very flashy website.](http://www.baydanshoes.com/) in Turkish and English. Illustrating once again that, like Joe the Plumber, you don’t always have to actually **do** anything worthy of notice to get your Fifteen Minutes; you could be a victim/beneficiary of Collateral Coverage. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-thows-shoes-at-w-can-he-sink-lower/477137/165 "2008-12-23T00:31:58Z")
> [@Squink](#): > > [Shoe Hurled at Bush Flies Off Turkish Maker’s Shelves](http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=auI050ptHyPg&refer=europe)If any dopers wish to ordert a pair, Baydan-Ducati has a [very flashy website.](http://www.baydanshoes.com/) in Turkish and English. Well pfui. “In Turkish and English,” indeed. Even the English is mostly Turkish. Hey Baydan-Ducati! Use your newfound international notoriety as an opportunity to improve your site, why don’t you! Dammit, I wanted to know how much a pair of Model 271’s are going for. In dollars, not euros or drachmas or rupees or whatever the hell they use for currency in Turkey. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2008, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-thows-shoes-at-w-can-he-sink-lower/477137/166 "2008-12-23T02:51:42Z")
> [@Terrifel](#): > > Dammit, I wanted to know how much a pair of Model 271’s are going for. In dollars, not euros or drachmas or rupees or whatever the hell they use for currency in Turkey. [Turkish new lira.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_new_lira) 1.6 lira to the dollar. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-thows-shoes-at-w-can-he-sink-lower/477137.md?page=8)