# Man who founded one of the nations biggest conversion therapy ministries, is gay. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 3, 2019, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-who-founded-one-of-the-nations-biggest-conversion-therapy-ministries-is-gay/839641 "2019-09-03T19:42:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-who-founded-one-of-the-nations-biggest-conversion-therapy-ministries-is-gay/839641/21 "2019-09-04T21:52:30Z")
_Very_ secretly. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-who-founded-one-of-the-nations-biggest-conversion-therapy-ministries-is-gay/839641/22 "2019-09-04T21:54:15Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Is it wrong for me to hope that he never gets laid? You weren’t already hoping that? ---
**Author:** ![Icarus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/icarus/32/72_2.png) [@Icarus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Icarus)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-who-founded-one-of-the-nations-biggest-conversion-therapy-ministries-is-gay/839641/23 "2019-09-04T22:19:29Z")
To be fair to Game, his struggle was a struggle because it had two opposing forces. Just as I wouldn’t deny someone being gay, I wouldn’t deny someone being Christian. I admit I would feel sorry for them, but I accept that being Christian is a very strong force and a core identity for many people. His personal conflict has to be immense. However, I do agree that the proselytizing and desire for conversion of others (in all of its forms) is a major negative of modern Christianity. I hope in his apologies, and in his personal journey he explores that aspect of his behavior. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-who-founded-one-of-the-nations-biggest-conversion-therapy-ministries-is-gay/839641/24 "2019-09-04T23:12:08Z")
I always figured he founded it as a way to get dates. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-who-founded-one-of-the-nations-biggest-conversion-therapy-ministries-is-gay/839641/25 "2019-09-05T04:57:27Z")
With these guys, it’s usually they either admit failure, or end up being caught with a gay prostitute in some filthy public restroom. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-who-founded-one-of-the-nations-biggest-conversion-therapy-ministries-is-gay/839641/26 "2019-09-05T06:06:26Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Yeah, I find this about as surprising as learning that the founder of AA is an alcoholic. The difference of course being that alcoholism is a actually destructive, is not fundamental to a person’s identity and AA actually does some good in curbing that destructive desire. Another big difference is that people in twelve-step programs don’t deny whatever problem brought them there (well, those who’ve been sent there by a judge may, but either they get over the denial or they get over the mandated period). I know addicts in remission who deny that they ever touched The Stuff (for several variants thereof), but none of them goes to an AA-type program and all of them are denialism champions in many other aspects of their lives. ---
**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-who-founded-one-of-the-nations-biggest-conversion-therapy-ministries-is-gay/839641/27 "2019-09-05T11:49:00Z")
> [@dropzone](#): > > I always figured he founded it as a way to get dates. Yes, I’ve been wondering how often he had sex with his “clients” as part of their “therapy”. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-who-founded-one-of-the-nations-biggest-conversion-therapy-ministries-is-gay/839641/28 "2019-09-05T15:28:31Z")
The goal of the therapy is to present gay sex as disgusting and repulsive. So, that works. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-who-founded-one-of-the-nations-biggest-conversion-therapy-ministries-is-gay/839641/29 "2019-09-05T15:56:16Z")
> [@Typo\_Negative](#): > > Is it wrong for me to hope that he never gets laid? I imagine this guy has been quietly suffering for his entire life, and I’m sure he feels bad about what he’s done. I won’t be piling on. Unless it turns out that the whole conversion-therapy gig was just a ruse to identify potential partners… that would be just awful. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2019, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-who-founded-one-of-the-nations-biggest-conversion-therapy-ministries-is-gay/839641/30 "2019-09-05T16:00:53Z")
Gee. I wonder how many lives this fucker ruined, and how much money went into his pockets. As far as him “trying to atone”, or how much he says he is “suffering” now, well fuck that noise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-who-founded-one-of-the-nations-biggest-conversion-therapy-ministries-is-gay/839641.md?page=1)