# Man with too many items for checkout pulls gun on clerk **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 15, 2024, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627 "2024-02-15T23:34:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/21 "2024-02-16T15:00:52Z")
I used to live in Schnuck’s land. Yes, it’s the founding family’s name. And properly pronounced it rhymes with “crooks”. Although they long ago retconned the pronunciation of the store name to rhyme with “bucks”. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/22 "2024-02-16T15:06:23Z")
Better than Sneed’s Feed & Seed. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/23 "2024-02-16T15:20:34Z")
If I were senior management _there_, we would _immediately_ begin selling weed. ---
**Author:** ![Baal\_Houtham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baal_houtham/32/13604_2.png) [@Baal\_Houtham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baal_Houtham)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/24 "2024-02-16T16:07:39Z")
Anecdote: I’ve lived in St. Louis for 40 yrs and can’t remember seeing anyone open carry — other than police/security. Not saying it doesn’t happen, but I went to a suburban Walmart last week and if I’d seen a customer wearing a holster I would have blinked many times. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/25 "2024-02-16T16:26:46Z")
> [@Retzbu\_Tox](#): > > Brandishing it at someone in a threatening manner or taking it somewhere that has a “no guns allowed” sign are the no-nos. He brandished it, he brought it into a store where the entire chain has a “No firearms” policy clearly posted at all the doors, and, “He said he hid the gun because he is a convicted felon and is not allowed to possess firearms, police said.” I understand there is a Pit thread for stupid MFers in the news. This guy clearly qualifies. > [@Retzbu\_Tox](#): > > you too can walk into Walmart, buy guns and ammo, and walk around with a pistol stuck in your waistband. In fairness, I don’t think the Wal-Marts here sell guns and ammo until you get farther away from St. Louis and Kansas City. ---
**Author:** ![Retzbu\_Tox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/retzbu_tox/32/11829_2.png) [@Retzbu\_Tox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Retzbu_Tox)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/26 "2024-02-16T16:28:05Z")
> [@Baal\_Houtham](#): > > Anecdote: I’ve lived in St. Louis for 40 yrs and can’t remember seeing anyone open carry — other than police/security. Not saying it doesn’t happen, but I went to a suburban Walmart last week and if I’d seen a customer wearing a holster I would have blinked many times. Yes, most Missourians have the good sense not to wear an obvious sidearm everywhere they go. However, you will see some folks (less likely in urban areas) with a holstered pistol while doing yard work, etc. My dad would wear a pistol while mowing his yard or plowing his garden. ('Cause you might see a snake or something.) 🙄 Hang out at a farm auction, a livestock sale barn, or visit the Rutledge Flea Market, and you will be more likely to see the open carry crowd. ---
**Author:** ![Jasmine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jasmine/32/2964_2.png) [@Jasmine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jasmine)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/27 "2024-02-16T16:38:21Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > If I arm myself, does the gun count as one of my 10 items? Jasmine (self-righteously): “I’m afraid not, sir, because you didn’t purchase it from our store.” (Riemann pulls gun) Jasmine (flushed): “Ah, I mean of course, sir! I apologize for the error!” 😳 ---
**Author:** ![Retzbu\_Tox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/retzbu_tox/32/11829_2.png) [@Retzbu\_Tox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Retzbu_Tox)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/28 "2024-02-16T16:54:42Z")
Here’s a story from Springfield, MO, prompted by discussion about a man who was carrying a loaded rifle and wearing a bulletproof vest while shopping at Walmart. Carrying the rifle into Walmart was not illegal, but his behavior in the store caused them to charge him with 2nd Degree Terrorist Threat. Missouri Statute 574.120. Making a terrorist threat, second degree — penalty. — 1. A person commits the offense of making a terrorist threat in the second degree if he or she recklessly disregards the risk of causing the evacuation, quarantine or closure of any portion of a building, inhabitable structure, place of assembly or facility of transportation and knowingly: (1) Communicates an express or implied threat to cause an incident or condition involving danger to life; or (2) Communicates a false report of an incident or condition involving danger to life; or (3) Causes a false belief or fear that an incident has occurred or that a condition exists involving danger to life. It would have been a 1st Degree Terrorist Threat if he frightened/threatened more than 10 people. > **[What are the gun laws in Missouri?](https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/politics/2019/08/09/missouri-gun-laws-springfield-open-carry-guns-background-checks/1965348001/)** > > The Show-Me State has been a noted leader in loosening restrictions on firearm ownership in recent years. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/29 "2024-02-16T17:09:04Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Although they long ago retconned the pronunciation of the store name to rhyme with “bucks”. Wait, what? I still live in STL and everyone I know pronounces it to rhyme with “books”. I’m 99% sure their ads do as well. An interesting detail from one of the articles: > [@](#): > > Garrett is a convicted felon and prohibited from owning a gun, according to court documents. He is currently jailed in St. Louis County on a $30,000 cash-only bond. Garrett has a bond reduction hearing scheduled for Feb. 21. Sounds like it’s time to throw the book at him. Also, the idea that everybody in St. Louis is walking around with a gun in their waist-band is bonkers. Sure, MO gun laws are extremely lax, but it’s not the Wild West. ---
**Author:** ![Retzbu\_Tox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/retzbu_tox/32/11829_2.png) [@Retzbu\_Tox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Retzbu_Tox)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/30 "2024-02-16T17:38:32Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Also, the idea that everybody in St. Louis is walking around with a gun in their waist-band is bonkers. I agree, it’s not everybody, but it may be more than you think. The pro-concealed-carry folks are fed fear-mongering story after story about how much danger you are in to set foot in a big city full of “those people/bad people”. You must have a gun to defend yourself because the “bad people” also have guns and they are going to try to get you, so your gun is the only thing that will stop it. ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/31 "2024-02-16T17:42:13Z")
Let me assure you that the people worried about “those people” don’t come into St. Louis in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/32 "2024-02-16T18:40:03Z")
I’ve been seeing ads for “comfy” holsters online recently. What’s weird that they come on during Let’s Play sessions of Batman games. He would not approve! ---
**Author:** ![Retzbu\_Tox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/retzbu_tox/32/11829_2.png) [@Retzbu\_Tox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Retzbu_Tox)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2024, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/33 "2024-02-16T19:17:09Z")
> [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > Let me assure you that the people worried about “those people” don’t come into St. Louis in the first place. They fret about it, but continue going to St. Louis to attend high society events like Cardinals baseball games, car shows, monster truck rallies, and country music concerts, or to visit a family member in Barnes hospital, or to go to the zoo. (St. Louis just had Monster Jam last month and WWE Monday Night RAW a couple weeks ago.) They might not carry concealed everywhere they go while in St, Louis, but they carry where they can and keep their pistols in gun cases in the trunk of their car when they can’t. My wife and I have a few family members that do these things, and their friends do these things. Google “gun shows in St. Louis” and you will see multiple upcoming events around St. Louis and St. Charles Counties this year that I strongly suspect will be attended by at least some folks who love to carry concealed pistols. “The BIG St. Louis County Gun Show” and “The BIG St. Charles County Gun Show” seem to have an event that alternates between the two locations every month for the next few months. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 7:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/34 "2024-02-23T07:59:23Z")
When you’re about to commit a crime, you should consider whether or not it would be something you’d want to admit to when you’re in the joint. Knocking over a bank? Sure. An American classic. Treason? Eh, why not? At least it makes you sound kind of important. But this? He should probably just make up something more interesting. ---
**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 10:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/35 "2024-02-23T10:43:33Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > > [@Kent\_Clark](#): > > > > A few weeks ago our local supermarket chain started restricting self-checkout to shoppers with 10 items or less > > I have to say this would piss me off too. Me too… It’s 10 ITEMS OR _ **FEWER** _ FFS !!! ---
**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2024, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/36 "2024-02-23T19:45:04Z")
> [@Digital\_is\_the\_new\_Analog](#): > > I’ve always thought it would be nice if the 10 items or less lines (or, in this case 13 items or less lines) would actually enforce the limit at the cash register. Just refuse to scan more items. I don’t like the idea of a hard limit. I was somewhere (Whole Foods, I think) where the sign at the self checkout said “About 10 items or fewer”, which I think is a better solution. It’s not a hard limit, if you have 11 items it’s fine, just don’t come through the self checkout with a huge cartload. Besides, it would be pretty easy to get around such a limit on a self checkout. Just scan the first 10 items, pay for them, then scan the remaining items and pay for them as a separate transaction. ---
**Author:** ![Digital\_is\_the\_new\_Analog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a88e4f/32.png) [@Digital\_is\_the\_new\_Analog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Digital_is_the_new_Analog)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2024, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/37 "2024-02-24T14:35:39Z")
True enough, about the separate transaction. Changing the sign to reflect something closer reality doesn’t really address the issue that gets me, which is people taking too much time in the express lane because they aren’t following the rules. I do agree that 11 or 12 likely doesn’t cause an issue. I wonder if there’s a way to incentivize good behavior, instead of enforcing a rule against bad behavior? But I suspect it would have the same issues with people working around the system. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/38 "2024-03-01T00:32:05Z")
> [@Snooooopy](#): > > When you’re about to commit a crime, you should consider whether or not it would be something you’d want to admit to when you’re in the joint. This proposition has been considered before: > [@Arlo](#): > > He said, “What were you arrested for, kid?” > And I said, “Littering.” And they all moved away from me on the bench > There, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things, till I > Said, “And creating a nuisance.” And they all came back, shook my hand, ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2024, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627/39 "2024-03-01T01:20:06Z")
At the regional cheapo grocery store. You know the one. The sign says “Express checkout” My understanding is a few items only, card only. No cash or checks. It’s manned. But just to run your items. They handle no cash. No self checkout in this store. And you wouldn’t want to try and upset the routine. Nope. Bad idea. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/man-with-too-many-items-for-checkout-pulls-gun-on-clerk/997627.md?page=1)