# Manafort and Cohen both guilty
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
**Created:** [August 21, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009 "2018-08-21T21:39:57Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2018, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/1 "2018-08-21T21:39:57Z")
[Paul Manafort has been found guilty of 8 of 18 charges.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/manafort-jury-suggests-it-cannot-come-to-a-consensus-on-a-single-count/2018/08/21/a2478ac0-a559-11e8-a656-943eefab5daf_story.html?utm_term=.874d138e48cb) A mistrial was declared on the other 10.
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> Manafort was convicted on five counts of filing false tax returns, one count of not filing a required IRS form, and two bank fraud counts.
Trump tweeted this (poor guy):
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> On Monday morning, Trump tweeted that Mueller’s investigators “are enjoying ruining people’s lives and REFUSE to look at the real corruption on the Democrat side — the lies, the firings, the deleted Emails and soooo much more! Mueller’s Angry Dems are looking to impact the election. They are a National Disgrace!”
In September, Manafort will be on trial again for failing to register as a lobbying and for witness tampering.
Fear not. Manafort shall not bear his shame alone. [Michael Cohen](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trumps-longtime-lawyer-michael-cohen-is-in-plea-discussions-with-federal-prosecutors-according-to-a-person-familiar-with-the-matter/2018/08/21/5fbd7f34-8510-11e8-8553-a3ce89036c78_story.html?utm_term=.6f1d35b3f53a)has joined him in the Trump fanboy perp walk club. Today he entered a guilty plea for 8 counts of breaking banking, tax, and campaign finance. Rumor has it that he has not exchanged a plea deal for spilling the beans on Trump, but some details are already floating out.
I can only imagine the rage tweeting to come. Tonight’s rally should be epic.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2018, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/2 "2018-08-21T21:47:27Z")
Good. The guy deserves to fry. He wanted to be in the spotlight, but guess what the spotlight does? It shines a light on all the shady/illegal things you’ve done over the years.
[del]But as much as I like seeing this, I don’t understand your misleading thread title. This trial had, literally, nothing to do with Trump.[/del] That is yet to come.
ETA: Oh, OK. That bit about Cohen. Very interesting. Very not good for el Trumpo!!
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### Author:  [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2018, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/3 "2018-08-21T21:49:48Z")
\*Again \*with the emails? oy vey.
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### Author:  [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2018, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/4 "2018-08-21T21:49:52Z")
[del]TYPO[/del] Brain fart - It should be Cohen. I didn’t mean to provide clickbait. ☹
I will ask the mods to change it.
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### Author:  [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2018, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/5 "2018-08-21T21:50:50Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#):
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> TYPO - It should be Cohen. I didn’t mean to provide clickbait. ☹
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> I will ask the mods to change it.
That seemed more like a Freudian slip than a typo.
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### Author:  [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2018, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/6 "2018-08-21T21:51:34Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Good. The guy deserves to fry. He wanted to be in the spotlight, but guess what the spotlight does? It shines a light on all the shady/illegal things you’ve done over the years.
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> [del]But as much as I like seeing this, I don’t understand your misleading thread title. This trial had, literally, nothing to do with Trump.[/del] That is yet to come.
> ETA: Oh, OK. That bit about Cohen. Very interesting. Very not good for el Trumpo!!
I disagree. There will be some quality people who would be fine upper level advisors/executives who after today will never put their hat in the ring because of potential skeletons in the closet.
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### Author:  [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2018, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/7 "2018-08-21T21:52:34Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#):
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> That seemed more like a Freudian slip than a typo.
Quite likely. I’ve asked for the update anyway. 😛
> [@UltraVires](#):
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> I disagree. There will be some quality people who would be fine upper level advisors/executives who after today will never put their hat in the ring because of potential skeletons in the closet.
After today?! If it took them until today to think about whether past bad behavior ought to keep them from running for office, then they’re not quality people. If their skeletons are that big, then we don’t want them anyway.
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### Author:  [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2018, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/8 "2018-08-21T21:57:06Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#):
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> [del]TYPO[/del] Brain fart - It should be Cohen. I didn’t mean to provide clickbait. ☹
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> I will ask the mods to change it.
Fixed.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2018, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/9 "2018-08-21T21:57:12Z")
> [@UltraVires](#):
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> I disagree. There will be some quality people who would be fine upper level advisors/executives who after today will never put their hat in the ring because of potential skeletons in the closet.
Then get the skeletons out in the open and see if people care. Otherwise, you’re cluttering up the system for people who don’t have bones rattling around in the wardrobe.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2018, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/10 "2018-08-21T21:58:18Z")
> [@Sunny\_Daze](#):
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> [del]TYPO[/del] Brain fart - It should be Cohen. I didn’t mean to provide clickbait. ☹
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> I will ask the mods to change it.
Close enough for government work. 😃
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### Author:  [@DavidwithanR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidwithanR)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2018, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/11 "2018-08-21T22:11:27Z")
> [@UltraVires](#):
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> I disagree. There will be some quality people who would be fine upper level advisors/executives who after today will never put their hat in the ring because of potential skeletons in the closet.
Except now the ring itself is filling up with skeletons. Everyone’s hat will be going into the closet for now, but eventually somebody will throw his hat on the skeleton and come out of the closet, thus fulfilling the cyclical nature of this badly-mixed but perhaps fascinatingly non-transitive metaphor complex: man beats closet, closet beats skeleton, skeleton beats man, ring… ring… beats me.
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### Author:  [@Buttercup\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buttercup_Smith)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2018, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/12 "2018-08-21T23:32:54Z")
Did I miss Cohen being actually charged with a crime?
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### Author:  [@Jungian\_Camisole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jungian_Camisole)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2018, 11:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/13 "2018-08-21T23:42:09Z")
To me, Trump’s tweets read as if they’re written by a young girl heading into puberty. I remember those days!
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### Author:  [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)
#### Post date: [August 21, 2018, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/14 "2018-08-21T23:43:04Z")
If either of these guys serve any time, what kind of prison will they be sent to? A federal white collar prison, with conjugal visits? Or a PMITA prison?
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### Author:  [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/15 "2018-08-22T00:09:48Z")
> [@Buttercup\_Smith](#):
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> Did I miss Cohen being actually charged with a crime?
He agreed to a plea deal today.
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### Author:  [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/16 "2018-08-22T01:37:02Z")
They will both be fully pardoned by the president by this time next week.
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### Author:  [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/17 "2018-08-22T01:45:22Z")
> [@Jungian\_Camisole](#):
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> To me, Trump’s tweets read as if they’re written by a young girl heading into puberty. I remember those days!
They certainly are junior high-ish. Not very Presidential.
In the Marines that is called Conduct Unbecoming.
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### Author:  [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/18 "2018-08-22T01:55:28Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> Then get the skeletons out in the open and see if people care. Otherwise, you’re cluttering up the system for people who don’t have bones rattling around in the wardrobe.
That’s just it. Most people like keeping the skeletons in the closet, therefore they will not opt for public service. This will deprive the public of quality people who don’t want skeletons exposed.
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### Author:  [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/19 "2018-08-22T02:04:09Z")
> [@UltraVires](#):
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> That’s just it. Most people like keeping the skeletons in the closet, therefore they will not opt for public service. This will deprive the public of quality people who don’t want skeletons exposed.
If their skeletons are that serious, then they’re not quality people.
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### Author:  [@ataraxy22](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ataraxy22)
#### Post date: [August 22, 2018, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manafort-and-cohen-both-guilty/820009/20 "2018-08-22T02:17:13Z")
> [@UltraVires](#):
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> That’s just it. Most people like keeping the skeletons in the closet, therefore they will not opt for public service. This will deprive the public of quality people who don’t want skeletons exposed.
History and human nature and arrogance has proven this premise laughably wrong!
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