# Mandalay Bay (Las Vegas) shooting **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 2, 2017, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797 "2017-10-02T07:41:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/241 "2017-10-03T05:22:45Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Was that video real with the guy giving the finger? Couldn’t have been at the same time. Gotta be a fake audio remix or something. > [@anomalous1](#): > > No idea if it was real, if it was he either had some huge stones or was obliviously drunk. No; that was real. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 5:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/242 "2017-10-03T05:30:56Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > My biggest complaint about Clinton’s tweet wasn’t that it used incorrect terminology. It’s that it was utterly stupid and ignorant. A silencer would reduce the noise of a center-fire rifle report from ~165 dB to ~135 dB. It’s a not-insignificant reduction, but it does not become whisper-quiet like Hollywood often shows it to be. Clinton is almost certainly ignorant of this fact, as demonstrated by her tweet. Give her a break. She’s no more an expert on firearms than she is on anything. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/243 "2017-10-03T05:32:57Z")
I’ve seen reports that there was a camera set up in the room, possibly filming the bad guy. I’m interested to see if he recorded any statement or explanation for his actions. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/244 "2017-10-03T05:33:59Z")
> [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > Give her a break. She’s no more an expert on firearms than she is on anything. Which is exactly why she shouldn’t be tweeting about it or commenting on it. She’s completely ignorant on the subject. ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/245 "2017-10-03T05:48:34Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Which is exactly why she shouldn’t be tweeting about it or commenting on it. She’s completely ignorant on the subject. Exhibit A, your Honor ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/246 "2017-10-03T05:55:46Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > Exhibit A, your Honor Are you claiming I gave “a withering rant about how the usage of the wrong term negates the entire argument”? Because that’s not at all what I did. Go back and re-read post #240 if you’re still confused. ---
**Author:** ![Win\_Place\_Show](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/win_place_show/32/13469_2.png) [@Win\_Place\_Show](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Win_Place_Show)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/247 "2017-10-03T06:07:42Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Which is exactly why she shouldn’t be tweeting about it or commenting on it. She’s completely ignorant on the subject. Same reason we don’t need Trump to even feign concern by showing up for a photo op. He’s way more ignorant about these matters than Clinton, and probably stopped giving a damn once he found out the shooter wasn’t a black Muslim. ---
**Author:** ![anomalous1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e56c9b/32.png) [@anomalous1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anomalous1)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 7:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/248 "2017-10-03T07:08:46Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Are you claiming I gave “a withering rant about how the usage of the wrong term negates the entire argument”? Because that’s not at all what I did. Go back and re-read post #240 if you’re still confused. I think he meant my argument. To **China Guy** No, no. Not a rant. Those are facts. It is about her tweeting about something at an inappropriate time frame. If she is going to do it, she can at least educate herself a little first. The point is, her argument is largely invalid because using such a device on a firearm doesn’t make the little “phew” noise she thinks it does. The shooter would have still been discovered quickly. Where did I say anything about a “good guy with a gun”? ---
**Author:** ![thirdname](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d07c76/32.png) [@thirdname](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thirdname)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/249 "2017-10-03T08:11:09Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Why did the shooter bring so many guns? Isn’t one or two guns, but with many magazines for reloading, much more useful for his purpose than bringing a whole arsenal of guns? The extra guns could only cause him trouble and be of little use. Normal rifles, even assault rifles, aren’t designed for sustained automatic fire. They will overheat and eventually malfunction and catch on fire. Actual machine guns will have heavier barrels, and are usually designed so the barrel can be changed quickly when it gets hot. [AR-15 Fired Full Auto Untill It Catches On Fire](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzfm4pYhIyY) [Hot Barrel Change on Machine Gun](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkW4a9Edg2Q) ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 8:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/250 "2017-10-03T08:21:23Z")
> [@China\_Guy](#): > > By the way, now would be a good time to ask why a “good guy with a gun” didn’t stop this madness? > [@Caleb Keeter](#): > > I’ve been a proponent of the 2nd amendment my entire life. > > Until the events of last night. I cannot express how wrong I was. We actually have members of our crew with CHL licenses and legal firearms on the bus. > > They were useless. > > **We couldn’t touch them for fear police might think that we were part of the massacre and shoot us.** A small group (or one man) laid waste to a city with dedicated, fearless police officers, desperately trying to help, because of access to an insane amount of fire power. > > Enough is enough. But we all mostly knew this anyway. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/251 "2017-10-03T09:06:08Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > But we all mostly knew this anyway. We all mostly knew that a CCW isn’t a magical talisman that instantly fixes every possible situation? Or that there might be situations where engaging a threat with a handgun is not the optimal solution? Yes, I suppose we did all mostly know that anyways. Do we all mostly know that there _are_ also situations where CCWs are used to save lives? ---
**Author:** ![Falchion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a88e57/32.png) [@Falchion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Falchion)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 10:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/252 "2017-10-03T10:16:01Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > There is no way he shot for 72 minutes. It would have taken no more than 10-15 minutes for police to locate the shooter, send SWAT into the hotel and go right to his door. Which is what they did. > > Just looked it up. CNN is reporting that witnesses said the shooting lasted for 10-15 minutes. That’s probably still a bit high, but a much more likely number. So, here’s something that I don’t see an explanation of. From what I’ve read, the shooting begins just after 10:00 pm. He fires for 10 to 15 minutes. The police breach his hotel room door around 11:20 pm. ([My recollection on times is confirmed by wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Las_Vegas_Strip_shooting)). Unless I’m confused, we have a whole _hour_ unaccounted for. What’s going on in this timeframe? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/253 "2017-10-03T10:19:10Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > We all mostly knew that a CCW isn’t a magical talisman that instantly fixes every possible situation? Or that there might be situations where engaging a threat with a handgun is not the optimal solution? Yes, I suppose we did all mostly know that anyways. …thanks for completely 100% agreeing with me. > [@](#): > > Do we all mostly know that there _are_ also situations where CCWs are used to save lives? I’m aware of the anecdotes, the talking points and the misleading data, as they are trotted out every time a mass shooting takes place. But please, by all means, trot them out again. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/254 "2017-10-03T11:05:30Z")
Not at all surprised that the Amoral Right, once again in a situation where their beliefs and actions lay waste to another 500 people, turned to whining about Hillary Clinton. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/255 "2017-10-03T11:17:21Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > We all mostly knew that a CCW isn’t a magical talisman that instantly fixes every possible situation? Or that there might be situations where engaging a threat with a handgun is not the optimal solution? Yes, I suppose we did all mostly know that anyways. > > Do we all mostly know that there _are_ also situations where CCWs are used to save lives? Indeed. [**Dayton Ohio**](http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/breaking-news/dayton-library-patrons-with-ccws-can-keep-guns-cars-outside/vTKEWnApfmFHyQUQ5NFqfN/) now allows patrons to keep concealed carry weapons in their cars on the parking facilities, but does not permit them in the library itself, which is a crying shame. There’s nowhere where one needs a pistol or rifle more than in a public library; and I would hate to borrow a book without a gun in my hand. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/256 "2017-10-03T13:01:18Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …thanks for completely 100% agreeing with me. > > I’m aware of the anecdotes, the talking points and the misleading data, as they are trotted out every time a mass shooting takes place. But please, by all means, trot them out again. No let’s not. Not in this thread. > [@JohnT](#): > > Not at all surprised that the Amoral Right, once again in a situation where their beliefs and actions lay waste to another 500 people, turned to whining about Hillary Clinton. I must be feeling generous because after two mods giving instructions to keep political jabs out of this, this probably deserves a warning. Knock it off. > [@Evan\_Drake](#): > > Indeed. [**Dayton Ohio**](http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/breaking-news/dayton-library-patrons-with-ccws-can-keep-guns-cars-outside/vTKEWnApfmFHyQUQ5NFqfN/) now allows patrons to keep concealed carry weapons in their cars on the parking facilities, but does not permit them in the library itself, which is a crying shame. > There’s nowhere where one needs a pistol or rifle more than in a public library; and I would hate to borrow a book without a gun in my hand. This is about the events in Las Vegas and the information as it comes out. Go to a different thread for a gun control debate. I am no longer feeling generous. Warnings start now. ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/257 "2017-10-03T14:00:53Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > I suspect a man that owned that many firearms would know whether or not a suppressor would work and obviously had the means to get one, why didn’t he use one? To cause more panic? Either that or he didn’t want to take the time/didn’t have the time as this really was a short-time “plan”. They are not all that tough to get these days but its not like a firearm in general - buy and walk out with it. There are more forms and taxes and some guns need modification. A friend at the local club has one and between taking the money out of the bank for the purchase and popping his first round was about a year. You can get some basic information on the subject at: [https://www.silencershop.com/atf-wait-times](https://www.silencershop.com/atf-wait-times) I see in other posts that accuracy has been floated as a reason but given the weapon and distance involved I doubt that. I figure he really was just spraying rounds towards the tightest groupings of people rather than taking any kind of deliberate aim. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/258 "2017-10-03T15:38:09Z")
Pics from the shooters room [http://www.fox25boston.com/news/only-on-boston-25-exclusive-photos-of-las-vegas-shooters-guns/618716556](http://www.fox25boston.com/news/only-on-boston-25-exclusive-photos-of-las-vegas-shooters-guns/618716556) ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/259 "2017-10-03T16:13:45Z")
I was directed to this site wth my question: Have the names of the victims been published? I have a cousin who lives in Las Vegas with his wife and I have not been able to reach them. Has any information been released? Even Google is no help. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/260 "2017-10-03T16:16:17Z")
Public lists are incomplete, but [here are some.](http://time.com/4965896/las-vegas-shooting-victims-names/) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797.md?page=14)