# Mandalay Bay (Las Vegas) shooting **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 2, 2017, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797 "2017-10-02T07:41:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/281 "2017-10-03T17:58:45Z")
> [@Spiderman](#): > > Really? I bet they’ve already received a request or two, made from some sick bastard(s). Of course, were the rooms split in twain as in Dr. M. R. James’ '[**Number 13’**](http://www.thin-ghost.org/items/show/149) they could have restless nights. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/282 "2017-10-03T18:20:22Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Has anybody identified what weapon(s) the shooter was using? Multiple rifles were found of different calibers, including AR- and AK-type; apparently two scoped and with bipods; reportedly one or two “bump fire” adapted stocks were found. Not clear however which were the ones actually used. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/283 "2017-10-03T18:27:15Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Has anybody identified what weapon(s) the shooter was using? One of them is shown in a photo in [this article](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-video-stephen-paddock-hotel-room/). It looks like a .308 caliber rifle. Reports say of the 23 guns found in the room there were both .308 and .223 rifles. Some insist that among them were at least one fully automatic or select fire rifle, others say it was a bump stock or trigger crank that simulated fully automatic fire. I’m sure the details will all emerge eventually. The gun in that photo was almost certainly one he used since it was propped up near the window. At a glance it looks semi-auto without a bump stock or trigger crank but I’m not an expert. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/284 "2017-10-03T19:01:03Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Given that Mandalay Bay has privacy windows, the shooter might have been harder to spot if he had been further back from the window. But what gave away his exact location was the [hotel’s smoke detectors](http://uproxx.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-mandalay-bay-smoke-detector/) responding to what was curling up out of the ends of the barrels. The smoke detector led them to the exact room but within seconds of him starting to shoot people already knew generally where it was coming from. It’s pretty likely police were already on the way to the general area when the hotel staff notified them about the smoke detector. But I’m not insisting a suppressor would have bought him much if any extra time, just that whatever claimed reduction in accuracy or firepower it would have caused wouldn’t have made any difference in this situation. As I said, if he had a .22 carbine this still would have been a massacre. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/285 "2017-10-03T19:08:07Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > The smoke detector led them to the exact room but within seconds of him starting to shoot people already knew generally where it was coming from. That is not at all consistent with everything I’ve read, and the videos I’ve watched that show people in confusion for several minutes before they even started to try to flee. It was extremely unclear where the gunfire was coming from, as it was from such a great distance to a lot of the concertgoers. Many people lied down on the ground, which would make sense if the shooter was also at ground level, but not so much when he’s shooting from above. > [@Crazyhorse](#): > > It’s pretty likely police were already on the way to the general area when the hotel staff notified them about the smoke detector. It took police [72 minutes](https://www.nbcnews.com/card/it-took-police-72-minutes-first-911-call-breach-paddock-n806836) to find him, so no, not really. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/286 "2017-10-03T19:11:28Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > That is not at all consistent with everything I’ve read, and the videos I’ve watched that show people in confusion for several minutes before they even started to try to flee. It was extremely unclear where the gunfire was coming from, as it was from such a great distance to a lot of the concertgoers. Many people lied down on the ground, which would make sense if the shooter was also at ground level, but not so much when he’s shooting from above. > > It took police [72 minutes](https://www.nbcnews.com/card/it-took-police-72-minutes-first-911-call-breach-paddock-n806836) to find him, so no, not really. > **[UPDATED: This timeline shows exactly how the Las Vegas massacre unfolded](https://www.businessinsider.com/timeline-shows-exactly-how-the-las-vegas-massacre-unfolded-2017-10)** > > The ordeal began at 10:08 p.m. on Sunday and continued for almost 2 1/2 hours before an all-clear was given. > [@](#): > > Here are two lines where officers realise what is happening, both time-stamped 10:13 p.m.: > > "It’s coming from like the 50th or 60th floor, north of the Mandalay Bay! It’s coming out a window. > > “We’re seeing local flashes in the middle of Mandalay Bay on the north side, kind of on the west tower but towards the center of the casino, like one of the middle floors.” ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/287 "2017-10-03T19:14:37Z")
> [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > Has anybody identified what weapon(s) the shooter was using? I’ve seen picture of two of them, both were AR- pattern rifles, and I’m fairly confident they were both chambered in .223 / 5.56mm. One had a Slide Fire (or knock-off) bump-fire stock and one of those high-capacity SureFire magazines, with an EoTech optic on a flat-top rail. The other had regular standard-capacity P-mags, a scope and bipod, and what looked like a fairly regular stock, possibly from Daniel Defense. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/288 "2017-10-03T19:20:12Z")
If the latest timeline is correct, police were outside of his door 16 minutes after shooting and the gunman was no longer firing. They did wait almost another hour before blowing the door. ---
**Author:** ![Crazyhorse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crazyhorse/32/31_2.png) [@Crazyhorse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crazyhorse)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/289 "2017-10-03T19:22:23Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’ve seen picture of two of them, both were AR- pattern rifles, and I’m fairly confident they were both chambered in .223 / 5.56mm. > > One had a Slide Fire (or knock-off) bump-fire stock and one of those high-capacity SureFire magazines, with an EoTech optic on a flat-top rail. The other had regular standard-capacity P-mags, a scope and bipod, and what looked like a fairly regular stock, possibly from Daniel Defense. Here’s an [enlarged version of the photo](https://imgur.com/a/FWa9p) I linked. I’m no expert but I’m pretty sure that is a .308. and every report indicates that some .308 weapons were found. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/290 "2017-10-03T19:36:04Z")
> [@Crazyhorse](#): > > Here’s an [enlarged version of the photo](https://imgur.com/a/FWa9p) I linked. I’m no expert but I’m pretty sure that is a .308. and every report indicates that some .308 weapons were found. Yeah, I think you’re right. Here are the two pictures I had seen. [#1](https://i.imgur.com/Ad5ZzoG.jpg) [#2](https://i.imgur.com/w1Ns7pn.jpg) The rifle in your picture and my #2 appear to be the same rifle, just in different locations. In looking at it closer now, the Pmags in and next to it in my photo probably are [this .308 version](https://www.magpul.com/products/pmag-25-lrsr-gen-m3-window). ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/291 "2017-10-03T20:22:38Z")
> [@Folly](#): > > If the latest timeline is correct, police were outside of his door 16 minutes after shooting and the gunman was no longer firing. They did wait almost another hour before blowing the door. 2 points I think are important about that. He may have killed himself soon after they showed up at the door. If there was no more shooting it’s smart to slow down and not rush in and possibly get people killed. Also the munitions and equipment needed for an explosive breaching are not routinely carried during normal duties. It may have taken a little time to get it there. Again, no shooting means they can take their time. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/292 "2017-10-03T20:24:45Z")
Yep, I certainly wasn’t criticizing the waiting. Just pointing out that’s where the 72 minutes came from. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/293 "2017-10-03T22:33:58Z")
> [@anomalous1](#): > > How about that guy running still holding his beer? Damn, talk about priorities. Fuck Yeah! Do you know how much he had to pay for that beer? ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/294 "2017-10-03T22:40:39Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > They’ll kinda **have to** shut down that floor in that wing, at least for a goodly period. Crime scene, then clean-up and window replacement, followed by remodel and reopening maybe a year or so down the line. This is Las Vegas. Those rooms will be refurbed and ready to go less than a week after the investigation is done. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/295 "2017-10-03T22:59:41Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I’ve seen picture of two of them, both were AR- pattern rifles, and I’m fairly confident they were both chambered in .223 / 5.56mm. > > One had a Slide Fire (or knock-off) bump-fire stock and one of those high-capacity SureFire magazines, with an EoTech optic on a flat-top rail. The other had regular standard-capacity P-mags, a scope and bipod, and what looked like a fairly regular stock, possibly from Daniel Defense. In case anyone is wondering what a slide fire stock does. [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufmPQfB1k9A) ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2017, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/296 "2017-10-03T23:29:44Z")
**dougie** : > [@](#): > > All but three of the dead had been identified by Tuesday afternoon, Lombardo said. So there may be a list available soon of the deceased; I hope your cousin and family are okay. ---
**Author:** ![dougie\_monty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/439d5e/32.png) [@dougie\_monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougie_monty)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2017, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/297 "2017-10-04T00:01:43Z")
Thanks for your concern. I have found out that they were not anywhere near the scene of the shootings and are just fine. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2017, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/298 "2017-10-04T00:09:46Z")
^ Good news, everyone! ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2017, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/299 "2017-10-04T00:10:23Z")
One a police page I follow it was posted that there is now an investigation going on to find out who leaked the crime scene photos. Along with the gun photos others have posted here you can find pictures of the suspect’s corpse online. Someone is going to be in big trouble. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2017, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/300 "2017-10-04T00:24:31Z")
I won’t be surprised if there’s a Boston connection; AFAIK a Boston news channel was the first to air pics of the guns. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797.md?page=14) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797.md?page=16)