# Mandalay Bay (Las Vegas) shooting **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 2, 2017, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797 "2017-10-02T07:41:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/421 "2017-12-22T14:14:29Z")
“headshots”. Darned autocorrupt. Sent from my E5823 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/422 "2017-12-22T14:52:25Z")
Makes sense. Your comment and your sig line make a nice combo. Then again, if the more mellow amongst us were allowed to cull the jerks out of the herd with a bag limit of, say, 100lbs dressed weight per month, pretty soon we’d have a much nicer planet. I picked that number because it’s about right to feed a family of 4.Q: What’s for dinner tonight Mom? A: Same as always. Jerky.\. I’ll be here all week. Try the long pig; it’s great. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![dba\_Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c37758/32.png) [@dba\_Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dba_Fred)\ **Post date:** [December 22, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/423 "2017-12-22T19:28:38Z")
\ And don’t forget to tip your armorer. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2018, 8:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/424 "2018-01-25T08:08:33Z")
[A piece of news I saw today](https://apnews.com/94922e6886d94bccadc8dbeb0db4febc/Arizona-woman-shot-in-Las-Vegas-attack-to-leave-hospital): > [@](#): > > More than three months after she was shot in the head in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history and put on life support, an Arizona woman is smiling and talking, demonstrating a recovery that doctors at a Phoenix hospital are calling miraculous. > > Jovanna Calzadillas will leave Barrow Neurological Institute Thursday and go home with her husband and two children. > > Arriving at a news conference Wednesday in a wheelchair with her right side immobile, she smiled and said hello to reporters as she was lifted onto a seat in front of news cameras. > > Declining to take questions, she instead slowly read from her own short, prepared statements. > > “On Oct. 1, a part of me changed that night,” she said. “Even though I will not be the same Jovanna, I will come back strong.” > [@](#): > > Calzadillas will be doing out-patient therapy now. She is determined to do it for however long it takes to regain her strength and mobility. > > “My kids and my family — I will not quit on them and I will not quit on myself.” ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/425 "2018-01-30T21:33:12Z")
[Another bump for the coming info dump](https://apnews.com/4fbf3a42208d4606966f313e239014bf/Judges-order-release-of-records-in-Las-Vegas-mass-shooting): > [@](#): > > Judges in Las Vegas ordered the release Tuesday of search warrant records and autopsy reports related to the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history, after media organizations sued in a bid to answer ongoing questions about the investigation. > > Court officials were redacting the records in preparation for release later in the day. > [@](#): > > Judge Elissa Cadish issued a written order to release documents showing what investigators told judges to obtain the search warrants after the Oct. 1 shooting. > > The order followed a closed-door hearing Friday with lawyers representing Las Vegas police. And: > [@](#): > > Separately, Judge Timothy Williams ruled that the Clark County coroner should release autopsy records of shooter Stephen Paddock, and the 58 people killed by gunfire, with victims’ names blacked out. Lest anyone forgets: > [@](#): > > More than 800 other people were injured when Paddock opened fire from the window of the Mandalay Bay hotel-casino. It’s been 4 months and the city is still feeling the repercussions of this. And of course, as my previous post shows, some victims are still recovering. #VegasStrong ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/426 "2018-01-31T16:01:46Z")
[url=]Lots of info here > [@](#): > > Douglas Haig told The Associated Press on Tuesday that he had been contacted earlier by investigators in the case. > > Speaking at his suburban home in Mesa, Haig said he planned to hold a news conference later this week to answer questions about his name surfacing in the investigation. > > “I am the guy who sold ammunition to Stephen Paddock,” Haig said without disclosing any details. Police say Paddock was the gunman and killed himself as officers converged on him. > [@](#): > > Records show Haig owns Specialized Military Ammunition LLC. The company’s website says it sold tracer and incendiary ammunition but is now “closed indefinitely.” > > Haig said on “CBS This Morning” on Wednesday, that he sold more than 700 rounds of ammunition to Paddock, but had no connection to the man and had no idea what he was planning. > > “I couldn’t detect anything wrong with this guy,” he said of Paddock. “He told me exactly what he wanted. I handed him a box with the ammunition in it, and he paid me and he left.” > > Haig said Paddock told him he was going to put on a “light show” with the tracer ammunition he bought. The bullets leave a visible trail when fired. > > Haig said he wonders “What did I miss?” and “Why didn’t I pick this up?” in his interaction with Paddock. > [@](#): > > The warrants show that investigators found 23 rifles and a handgun in Paddock’s 32nd-floor hotel suite and an adjoining room. Police also found five suitcases, five rifle cases, binoculars, a spotter scope, portable solar generator and 1,050 empty bullet casings. > > Police reported finding just $273 in cash in the room of the 64-year-old retired accountant who amassed a millionaire’s fortune, owned homes in Reno and Mesquite, Nevada, and earned casino perks wagering thousands of dollars on high-stakes video poker. The LVRJ and the Sun will be combing over these records, as well as the AP and every other agency that got copies, so I expect more details over the next few days. Hopefully there’ll be some good news about survivors in those stories, too. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/427 "2018-03-03T03:06:36Z")
[The Las Vegas Victims Fund](https://apnews.com/f86f8f9cb1574c3e980b80360d62548e/$275K-going-to-family-of-each-person-slain-in-Vegas-shooting) was begun as a GoFundMe campaign and has raised over $31.5M. Today they announced plans to begin disbursing funds: > [@](#): > > A $31.5 million victims’ fund that started as a GoFundMe effort announced plans Friday to pay $275,000 to the families of each of the 58 people killed in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history. > > The Las Vegas Victims Fund said the maximum $275,000 also will be paid to 10 other people who were paralyzed or suffered permanent brain damage in the Oct. 1 shooting on the Las Vegas Strip. > > The nonprofit posted a chart projecting payments on a scale to a total of 532 people, including more than $10 million divided among 147 people who were hospitalized. > > “In no way can it replace someone’s life,” said Al Etcheber, the brother-in-law of Stacee Etcheber, who died when a gunman fired from a high-rise casino hotel into a country music festival below. “Still, it is a real nice way to help families who lost someone they loved.” > [@](#): > > Victims fund spokesman Howard Stutz said the nonprofit expects to pay 100 percent of the funds raised, with payouts beginning Monday. > [@](#): > > The fund grew into a nonprofit corporation that reported receiving more than 90,000 donations, with nearly 40 percent coming from southern Nevada gambling, tourism and entertainment companies. > > Students, faculty and staff at a high school in suburban Henderson raised more than $66,000 through T-shirt sales, and a Vegas Strong benefit concert that raised nearly $700,000. > > Disbursements were determined by a committee of victim advocates, mental health and medical professionals, lawyers, donors and others. The committee held two town hall meetings to hear from victims and their families. > > The committee reported reviewing more than 1,600 email and written comments, with advice from national experts, including victim compensation expert Kenneth Feinberg and the National Center for Victims of Crime. I’m so, so proud of the good people I live near and work with, that I watch hockey with, that I share roads and parks and stores with. Nothing can make it right, but we can try and make it better, and we are. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2018, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/428 "2018-06-07T05:34:19Z")
[They released all the 911 calls today and some camera footage](https://apnews.com/4e7f1aa3c5d34fdf8c227767e82dbdf1/Vegas-shooting-911-calls:-'There's-people-shot-everywhere!'). > [@](#): > > In addition to the 518 audio calls, police released video from a camera atop the Mandalay Bay resort that provided a bird’s-eye view of the country music festival where 58 people died and hundreds were injured on Oct. 1. > > The gunfire came from 32nd-floor windows into a crowd of 22,000 people at the Route 91 Harvest Festival across Las Vegas Boulevard. > > Authorities say many more people were traumatized when Stephen Paddock, a 64-year-old high-stakes video-poker player, spent 10 minutes firing rapid-fire barrages with assault-style rifles. > > The camera atop the hotel bears silent witness as floodlights sweep the concert crowd before the shooting starts; follows the massacre as bright lights come up and people flee; and shows small groups huddled over apparently injured victims. > > After sunrise, covered bodies are seen as coroner’s vans arrive at the green concert grounds. I’ve seen the footage and I’ve heard some of the calls tonight on the local news; I’m shaking as I type this. This was so, so bad, y’all. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 12:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/429 "2018-07-17T12:07:41Z")
> **[MGM: ‘No Liability’ to Las Vegas Shooting Victims](https://www.thedailybeast.com/mgm-resorts-sues-victims-of-las-vegas-mass-shooting)** > > Files motion to stop lawsuit by hundreds of plaintiffs. **MGM Resorts Sues _Victims_ of Las Vegas Mass Shooting** “MGM Resorts International has reportedly filed federal lawsuits against hundreds of victims of last year’s mass shooting in Las Vegas in an apparent bid to pre-empt any compensation claims. MGM, which owns the Mandalay Bay hotel-casino and the venue of the Route 91 Harvest music festival, has argued that any lawsuits holding the company liable for deaths or injuries during the Oct. 1 massacre “must be dismissed” because the company took reasonable precautions to prevent such mass violence.” (Emphasis mine, JT) ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/430 "2018-07-17T13:35:42Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [MGM: ‘No Liability’ to Las Vegas Shooting Victims](https://www.thedailybeast.com/mgm-resorts-sues-victims-of-las-vegas-mass-shooting) > > **MGM Resorts Sues _Victims_ of Las Vegas Mass Shooting** > > “MGM Resorts International has reportedly filed federal lawsuits against hundreds of victims of last year’s mass shooting in Las Vegas in an apparent bid to pre-empt any compensation claims. MGM, which owns the Mandalay Bay hotel-casino and the venue of the Route 91 Harvest music festival, has argued that any lawsuits holding the company liable for deaths or injuries during the Oct. 1 massacre “must be dismissed” because the company took reasonable precautions to prevent such mass violence.” > > (Emphasis mine, JT) I agree with the action. MGM did nothing wrong. Nor did the concert promoters. Its 100% the fault of the shooter. The only reason the hotel is being sued is because of $$$$. What could anyone have done different? Room searches? Bag searches? One moron lawyer on local tv blamed MGM comping gamblers. WTF? This is obviously a tragedy but how is suing other victims of the tragedy justice? ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/431 "2018-07-17T13:57:08Z")
This study of all published class action lawsuits from 2009 shows how lawyers (on both sides) makes mucho while plaintiffs end up with little. > **[Study Shows Consumer Class-Action Lawyers Earn Millions, Clients Little](https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/12/11/with-consumer-class-actions-lawyers-are-mostly-paid-to-do-nothing/)** > > A new study confirms that consumer class-action lawyers are good at earning fees, not money for their clients. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/432 "2018-07-17T14:22:15Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > This study of all published class action lawsuits from 2009 shows how lawyers (on both sides) makes mucho while plaintiffs end up with little. > > [Study Shows Consumer Class-Action Lawyers Earn Millions, Clients Little](https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/12/11/with-consumer-class-actions-lawyers-are-mostly-paid-to-do-nothing/) Sure, but it’s the lawyers who are doing all the work. I’ve been a member of 4 class action lawsuits over spam faxes. I’ve averaged around $150 each time in exchange for signing a form. The lawyer got way more, but he’s the one that arranged the group and filed. ---
**Author:** ![Machine\_Elf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/82dd89/32.png) [@Machine\_Elf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Machine_Elf)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/433 "2018-07-17T14:57:11Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > I agree with the action. > > MGM did nothing wrong. Nor did the concert promoters. Its 100% the fault of the shooter. The only reason the hotel is being sued is because of $$$$. > [@The Daily Beast](#): > > In a statement released Monday, MGM spokeswoman Debra DeShong appeared to portray the lawsuits as an act of compassion for the victims. “Years of drawn out litigation and hearings are not in the best interest of victims, the community and those still healing,” she said, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported. I would feel better about MGM’s legal move if they admitted their own interest instead of spinning it as something being done for the benefit of prospective plaintiffs. “What happened to you is truly awful, but we don’t believe we bear any responsibility, and we’re confident that a court of law will agree with us. Any lawsuit against us would make us waste time and money presenting a defense, so on behalf of our shareholders we’re doing the best we can to avoid that outcome.” ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/434 "2018-07-17T15:30:47Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > I agree with the action. > > MGM did nothing wrong. Nor did the concert promoters. Its 100% the fault of the shooter. The only reason the hotel is being sued is because of $$$$. What could anyone have done different? Room searches? Bag searches? One moron lawyer on local tv blamed MGM comping gamblers. WTF? > > This is obviously a tragedy but how is suing other victims of the tragedy justice? We don’t yet know if MGM did anything wrong. Maybe they locked fire doors and people couldn’t get out. Maybe they had reason to know this guy was up to no good and ignored it. I agree, comping gamblers doesn’t seem like a valid basis to file a lawsuit. I don’t know if MGM was negligent or not, but before a lawsuit if filed, the attorney represented the injured person has to have a good faith belief that they can establish a theory of negligence. They won’t just file a lawsuit saying “you owe us money because something bad happened at your hotel.” Then MGM can defend itself and the court system can figure it all out. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/435 "2018-07-17T18:21:28Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > We don’t yet know if MGM did anything wrong. Maybe they locked fire doors and people couldn’t get out. Maybe they had reason to know this guy was up to no good and ignored it. I agree, comping gamblers doesn’t seem like a valid basis to file a lawsuit. > > I don’t know if MGM was negligent or not, but before a lawsuit if filed, the attorney represented the injured person has to have a good faith belief that they can establish a theory of negligence. They won’t just file a lawsuit saying “you owe us money because something bad happened at your hotel.” Then MGM can defend itself and the court system can figure it all out. Except the MGM is trying to get a judge to say they have no liability without a trial taking place. Their argument is that the SAFETY Act absolves them of all liability because they hired a company with DHS certifications. I have a hard time believing a judge would rule in their favor with a blanket ruling at this point, but that is the argument they’re making. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/436 "2018-07-17T20:00:08Z")
> [@Machine\_Elf](#): > > I would feel better about MGM’s legal move if they admitted their own interest instead of spinning it as something being done for the benefit of prospective plaintiffs. “What happened to you is truly awful, but we don’t believe we bear any responsibility, and we’re confident that a court of law will agree with us. Any lawsuit against us would make us waste time and money presenting a defense, so on behalf of our shareholders we’re doing the best we can to avoid that outcome.” I understand what their end goal is here; to **not** be deep pockets. But doesn’t this mean that the estates of the deceased/shooting victims need to hire lawyers even if they didn’t sue MGM? So now the crime victims need more out-of-pocket money to defend themselves??? 😕 > [@Las Vegas Review Journal](#): > > MGM Resorts International has filed federal lawsuits against more than 1,000 Las Vegas mass shooting victims in an effort to avoid liability. [news article](https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/homicides/lawsuits-claim-mgm-has-no-liability-to-las-vegas-shooting-victims/) ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/437 "2018-07-17T22:10:14Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > [MGM: ‘No Liability’ to Las Vegas Shooting Victims](https://www.thedailybeast.com/mgm-resorts-sues-victims-of-las-vegas-mass-shooting) > > **MGM Resorts Sues _Victims_ of Las Vegas Mass Shooting** > > “MGM Resorts International has reportedly filed federal lawsuits against hundreds of victims of last year’s mass shooting in Las Vegas in an apparent bid to pre-empt any compensation claims. MGM, which owns the Mandalay Bay hotel-casino and the venue of the Route 91 Harvest music festival, has argued that any lawsuits holding the company liable for deaths or injuries during the Oct. 1 massacre “must be dismissed” because the company took reasonable precautions to prevent such mass violence.” > > (Emphasis mine, JT) That seems a misreading of what is happening. MGM isn’t suing anyone, they are asking for suits filed against them to be dismissed. I have no idea of the validity of that request - but all of the folks affected already have lawyers if they are suing. Possibly the Daily Beast web-page has changed since you posted your quote. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/438 "2018-07-17T23:55:23Z")
> [@Folacin](#): > > That seems a misreading of what is happening. MGM isn’t suing anyone, they are asking for suits filed against them to be dismissed. I have no idea of the validity of that request - but all of the folks affected already have lawyers if they are suing. > > Possibly the Daily Beast web-page has changed since you posted your quote. What is your source for the statement “MGM isn’t suing anyone”? That directly contradicts everything everyone else is saying. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/439 "2018-07-18T00:28:10Z")
Maybe the information on Daily Beast has changed since **JohnT** posted this morning, as **Folacin** suggested, but it is saying that MGM filed a complaint, not lawsuits. They are not the same thing. Look at the link. ---
**Author:** ![Roderick\_Femm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/roderick_femm/32/14875_2.png) [@Roderick\_Femm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Roderick_Femm)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2018, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/440 "2018-07-18T00:31:01Z")
The NYTimes has much better information [here](https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/17/us/mgm-resorts-sues-victims.html): > [@NYT](#): > > MGM is not suing for money, but the company wants a federal court to rule that it cannot be held liable for the shooting by more than 1,000 victims and others it named in the suits. The company said it named only people that have already sued or given notice that they intend to do so. So it is a kind of suit that hasn’t been tried before in this kind of situation, but not for money. Does that bring down the RO level at all? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797.md?page=23)