# Mandalay Bay (Las Vegas) shooting **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 2, 2017, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797 "2017-10-02T07:41:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/41 "2017-10-02T11:42:16Z")
This is dreadful. Fuck that guy, I hope that his soul burns for eternity. There’s no reason under the Sun to do something like this. Kill yourself, leave everyone else alone. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/42 "2017-10-02T12:49:52Z")
This is very tragic and there really isn’t a lot of new information. But the newscasters have a lot of airtime to fill. Guy on CNN is interviewing an LEO. 'I hear that the shooter had a lot of weapons in the hotel room. Do you have any idea of how many.". “No, we do not have that information at this time.” “But he had multiple weapons, right? Isn’t it possible he had lots of weapons?” "Yes, it’s possible " “Someone else (on another news channel that was interviewing a more forthcoming LEO, no doubt) said they they found 8 weapons. Could that be correct?”“Well, I guess it’s possible.” And some newscasters are trying to “paint a picture” of what might have happened in the shooters hotel room,inventing “possible” details out of thin air. And, to be clear, they aren’t lying, the are saying right out that they have no idea what happened and that they are engaging in speculation about things like him barricading doors, breaking out the window, etc. Because he might have done those things. Or not. They are doing the same thing with the details of possible searches - "Well, I guess they’ll be searching his dresser drawers? “Lets spend the next 11 minutes discussing the types of incriminating evidence that are typically found in searches of dresser drawers.” Don’t get me wrong I am astounded by this tragedy and I understand why it is getting non-stop coverage. But some of the stuff that is being aired out of a need to fill time until real information comes in is just bizarre. This how misinformation gets started. This is what give the news organizations a bad rep. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/43 "2017-10-02T13:03:41Z")
Tragic, but my primary response is how little I’m moved by this latest in the seemingly unending stream of news of violent incidents. I really consider it ugly that our society has gotten to the point that I am essentially numbed by what seems to be a fact of our current lives. And I simply have to trust the safety in numbers - tho 20-50 people can be taken out at any time, I just have to hope that I’m lucky enough not to be in that particular place at that particular time. Also, I’m surprised this type of attack - shooting/bombing massed crowds - hasn’t been more common before and that body counts have generally been as low as they have been. In a perverse way, the relative infrequency of such events gives me some comfort. In so many respects, the world just seems to be getting uglier and uglier… ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/44 "2017-10-02T13:07:25Z")
Watching the CBS coverage, there were interviewing some guy related to the concert that was there every day, and they were asking him about the muzzle flashes everyone was reporting. He pointed out that for some reason there had been a strobe light that he had noticed blinking in a room on the 14th (I think) floor for every day of the concert, and that a lot of people probably saw that and thought it was a muzzle-flash. The tone of the interviewer’s voice changed and he quickly tried to steer the conversation elsewhere, having had a juicy tidbit ripped away from him. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/45 "2017-10-02T13:17:52Z")
The woman was in another country (which explains why the police knew where she was but didn’t have her in custody or anything) and the police don’t think she was involved at all. ---
**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/46 "2017-10-02T13:19:09Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > Tragic, but my primary response is how little I’m moved by this latest in the seemingly unending stream of news of violent incidents… Agreed. My first response was, “Huh. Another mass shooting.” mmm ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/47 "2017-10-02T13:20:20Z")
This is officially the worst mass shooting in US history. I’m heading in to work now, at the Venetian about 2 miles from where this happened. Traffic reports say there are a couple of blocks of the Strip closed completely, and about 6 exits closed on the freeway that runs parallel to it. I woke up to a bunch of alerts from the emergency notification system my work uses. What a tragedy. It didn’t really hit me until I started clicking links to some of the video taken from cell phones at the scene, and now I can’t stop thinking about how awful this is. From what I hear, LVMPD stopped the shooter in just a couple of minutes and he was still able to cause so much carnage in that short time. Literally hundreds of people were shot. The sheer scope of it just boggles my mind. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/48 "2017-10-02T13:26:10Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > Stating the obvious, whoever did this is a sick fuck. Why can’t people who are down on life just take themselves out and leave everybody else alone? God, do we need some serious overhaul of mental health in this country. I know, I know. Looks like he killed himself, so please “next person who thinks about doing this” just kill yourself first, and leave the rest of us out of whatever is torturing your soul. ---
**Author:** ![epolo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@epolo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/epolo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 1:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/49 "2017-10-02T13:29:07Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Fuckwit commentator on CNN has decided a cool way to refer to the crowd is “biomass”. This is America. If you have a gun in your hand you’re a person. Otherwise you’re just biomass. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/50 "2017-10-02T13:42:39Z")
His brother claims he has no political nor religious affiliations and just snapped. > **[Las Vegas shooter's brother says family is 'dumbfounded'](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4940800/Las-Vegas-shooter-s-brother-says-family-dumbfounded.html)** > > Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock's brother Eric tells DailyMail.com he and his family are 'in shock' at what has happened and that the mass murderer had no motive. I don’t believe him. This act took lots of planning. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/51 "2017-10-02T13:44:58Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I know, I know. Looks like he killed himself, so please “next person who thinks about doing this” just kill yourself first, and leave the rest of us out of whatever is torturing your soul. At least one news source is saying he was killed by police. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/52 "2017-10-02T13:46:25Z")
Having recently watched Ken Burns’ _The Vietnam War_, I was thinking maybe Vietnam War Vet with too many issues to deal with, but I think this guy is too young for that. At 64, he would been at the tail end, after the draft was effectively over. **Ann** : That’s news. I was listening to NPR all morning, and they kept saying he was “found dead” in his hotel room. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/53 "2017-10-02T13:51:08Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > At least one news source is saying he was killed by police. I’ve seen both but newer reports seem to say he killed himself as officers stormed his room. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/54 "2017-10-02T13:58:58Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > His brother claims he has no political nor religious affiliations and just snapped. > > [Las Vegas shooter's brother says family is 'dumbfounded' | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4940800/Las-Vegas-shooter-s-brother-says-family-dumbfounded.html) > > I don’t believe him. This act took lots of planning. No kidding. This is G2E week. That room was expensive and he’d apparently been in it since Thursday. Kudos to the Metro cops that stormed his room. They were there in minutes, which means they probably weren’t a tac-team, just beat cops going in because they had to. MSNBC reports that the shooter has a pilot’s license and owns a couple of planes in Mesquite. This could have been a lot worse. ---
**Author:** ![kopek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kopek/32/337_2.png) [@kopek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kopek)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/55 "2017-10-02T14:07:06Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > His brother claims he has no political nor religious affiliations and just snapped. > > [Las Vegas shooter's brother says family is 'dumbfounded' | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4940800/Las-Vegas-shooter-s-brother-says-family-dumbfounded.html) > > I don’t believe him. This act took lots of planning. I’ll disagree with the planning part. Maybe its being raised rural and in PA but I can think of several people I know who could pull of something like this with almost no planning; just go off the deep end and take advantage of an opportunity. Since the last “ammo shortage” more people than you would think are keeping 500+ rounds available. Add to that the number of concert and sports venues with an assortment of tall buildings around them and something like this happening spur of the moment is very possible. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/56 "2017-10-02T14:08:21Z")
The police are thus far not labelling a terror attack. Their reasoning is that they need better knowledge of his motivation. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/57 "2017-10-02T14:13:27Z")
The vulturistic media is descending on the Cerritos home of Paddocks ex wife…before 6am. Police were dispatched to keep them away. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/58 "2017-10-02T14:15:55Z")
> [@kopek](#): > > I’ll disagree with the planning part. Maybe its being raised rural and in PA but I can think of several people I know who could pull of something like this with almost no planning; just go off the deep end and take advantage of an opportunity. Since the last “ammo shortage” more people than you would think are keeping 500+ rounds available. Add to that the number of concert and sports venues with an assortment of tall buildings around them and something like this happening spur of the moment is very possible. This. The guy evidently owned a bunch of guns not all of which he took to the hotel. Whether he bought them recently or years ago, whether for sensible reasons, silly reasons, or insane reasons, is all unknown so far. But one hell of a lot of US citizens own more arsenal and ammo than they could use up in a killing spree before being stopped by the cops. Those folks need no more planning for a mass shooting than I need to go out to dinner. What stops most of them most of the time is a lack of immediate desire, not a lack of ability to stage a mass shooting anywhere on the spur of the moment, any moment. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/59 "2017-10-02T14:16:02Z")
I sit corrected: The latest LVMP press release states that the room was breached by a SWAT team and the shooter was found dead inside. That is some wicked-fast response time. I wonder where Metro trained up for this? ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/60 "2017-10-02T14:18:48Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > This. The guy evidently owned a bunch of guns not all of which he took to the hotel. > > Whether he bought them recently or years ago, whether for sensible reasons, silly reasons, or insane reasons, is all unknown so far. > > But one hell of a lot of US citizens own more arsenal and ammo than they could use up in a killing spree before being stopped by the cops. > > Those folks need no more planning for a mass shooting than I need to go out to dinner. What stops most of them most of the time is a lack of immediate desire, not a lack of ability to stage a mass shooting anywhere on the spur of the moment, any moment. He smuggled ten long barreled rifles into a high security hotel…think casino security. He had been there four days doing recon. He had to have a detailed plan. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797.md?page=4)