# Mandalay Bay (Las Vegas) shooting **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 2, 2017, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797 "2017-10-02T07:41:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/81 "2017-10-02T15:30:28Z")
> [@Lord\_Feldon](#): > > The woman they’re looking for has been located, but they’re using a really weird construction to refer to it: “we are confident we have located the female person of interest.” I wonder if she’s still alive? Still alive and apparently out of the country. They don’t think she had anything to do with it. I had heard earlier that she has an Australian passport. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/82 "2017-10-02T15:31:36Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > How on earth would anyone on here know. This is the SDMB; someone, somewhere, on this message board, absolutely has the answer to that question. Believe me, we have someone who’s in law enforcement, or works intel, is some kind of analyst, who knows the answer. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/83 "2017-10-02T15:31:43Z")
> [@Tigers2B1](#): > > Good question. Has ISIS ever claimed responsibility for something like this which was later shown to be untrue? Better question is, have they ever claimed responsibility for a massacre committed by a non-Muslim clearly not affiliated with ISIS? ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/84 "2017-10-02T15:32:17Z")
> [@ExTank](#): > > This is the SDMB; someone, somewhere, on this message board, absolutely has the answer to that question. > > Believe me, we have someone who’s in law enforcement, or works intel, is some kind of analyst, who knows the answer. Oh stop it. ---
**Author:** ![RickG](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rickg/32/5174_2.png) [@RickG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickG)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/85 "2017-10-02T15:32:43Z")
My daughter wrote this before leaving for work this morning: [How Dare You](https://medium.com/@ElianaCGthe1st/how-dare-you-a0eaba8f2047). Made me weep. ---
**Author:** ![Oakminster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/77aa72/32.png) [@Oakminster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oakminster)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/86 "2017-10-02T15:33:05Z")
I agree this attack took very little planning. Having been to the Mandalay Bay, there is no “security” as far as what people have in their luggage. Nobody checks bags. No metal detectors. The rooms with a view of the strip have floor to ceiling windows. ---
**Author:** ![Evan\_Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/b487fb/32.png) [@Evan\_Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evan_Drake)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/87 "2017-10-02T15:35:37Z")
Last time of a ‘Something Must Be Done’ mass shooting, of the gay club in Orlando, the killer — who had a laundry list of stereotypes he disliked — claimed to be acting for muslims everywhere, yet the CIA found no evidence ( friends claimed he was gay, yet the FBI found no evidence ). As a muslim, his father denounced his dead son, saying it was not for man to destroy homosexuals, but for God. He then got photographed near to Hillary Clinton, at one of her rallies. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/88 "2017-10-02T15:36:19Z")
It sounded like full auto to me. Poor video/sound quality so could be wrong on that, but I did count about 10 seconds of sustained fire in multiple instances. That’s longer than a 75 round drum mag would take to dump so that’s bad. Could be a belt fed but I feel like that’s just a guess. So shitty. ---
**Author:** ![Spiderman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiderman/32/230_2.png) [@Spiderman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiderman)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/89 "2017-10-02T15:42:22Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Just getting a room at MB at any price was extraordinary. Not if you use your girlfriend / soon-to-be-ex-wife’s credit card & don’t plan to be alive when the bill comes in. > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Trump is reading scripture off a TelePrompTer. They should’ve sent Pence out. I saw that & was thinking is this the president or a preacher? All the pics & video is of “Police” cars, but the spokesperson is the Sheriff. Where I live they are separate entities; are they one in the same in LV? If different, what are the differences? Here, Sheriff’s don’t do patrol but more administrative side of law enforcement, handling prisoners, courthouse security, fugitive warrants, etc. Holy S#!t; just heard a talking head state that LVPD keyed on the smoke detectors in the hotel to narrow the room they were looking for. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/90 "2017-10-02T15:45:21Z")
> [@Bone](#): > > It sounded like full auto to me. Poor video/sound quality so could be wrong on that, but I did count about 10 seconds of sustained fire in multiple instances. That’s longer than a 75 round drum mag would take to dump so that’s bad. Could be a belt fed but I feel like that’s just a guess. > > So shitty. [Bump-fire stock with double drum mag.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U6tORrODJE) ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/91 "2017-10-02T15:46:38Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Trump is reading scripture off a TelePrompTer. They should’ve sent Pence out. What an utterly insignificant concern. ---
**Author:** ![E-DUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/e-dub/32/403_2.png) [@E-DUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/E-DUB)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/92 "2017-10-02T15:50:01Z")
ISIS would claim responsibility if trump stubbed his toe. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/93 "2017-10-02T15:52:11Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Have to say this is the strangest ‘target’. Stranger than an Ariana Grande concert or a random movie theater in Colorado? Seems about par for the course. Bad / crazy people wanting to hurt lots of people seek out crowded places with lots of people packed into them. ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/94 "2017-10-02T15:52:13Z")
Yeah, but now the question is ‘did ISIS do it?’ and not ‘who was responsible?’ ---
**Author:** ![Tigers2B1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc29f/32.png) [@Tigers2B1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tigers2B1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/95 "2017-10-02T15:53:06Z")
FBI just issued a statement that, at this time, they have on evidence of an ISIS connection. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/96 "2017-10-02T15:53:42Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > [Bump-fire stock with double drum mag.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U6tORrODJE) I wonder how many times they had to film that before they got a take where it didn’t jam 😉 ---
**Author:** ![up\_the\_junction](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/f1d935/32.png) [@up\_the\_junction](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/up_the_junction)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/97 "2017-10-02T15:53:45Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > Stranger than an Ariana Grande concert or a random movie theater in Colorado? Seems about par for the course. Bad / crazy people wanting to hurt lots of people seek out crowded places with lots of people packed into them. Eh? the Grande concert was a clear target for that suicide bomber. It was carefully chosen. I have no idea about a movie theatre, there are so many f these shootings. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/98 "2017-10-02T15:53:58Z")
> **[What Does It Mean When ISIS Claims Responsibility For An Attack?](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/24/529685951/what-does-it-mean-when-isis-claims-responsibility-for-an-attack)** > > When the Islamic State says its "soldiers" carried out an attack, it doesn't necessarily mean the group planned or directed the terrorist act — or even knew about it in advance. "Experts who closely follow the Islamic State say that in general when it comes to attacks in the West, an ISIS claim of responsibility usually means there was some sort of connection. But the attack might have been planned, funded and directed by ISIS — or it could just have been inspired by the group’s propaganda. **Has ISIS ever claimed responsibility for attacks that turned out to be totally unrelated to it?** “We have not been able to find a real lie from ISIS,” said Katz, who follows the group’s social media obsessively with a critical eye. “Despite the fact that they are a terrorist organization, they want to provide their followers and supporters with authentic information.” Joscelyn said he can’t think of an example of an outright false claim by ISIS in the U.S. and western Europe. There are plenty of exaggerations — on death tolls, for instance — and the statements shouldn’t be assumed to be true. (For instance, the ISIS claim for the attack on a concert in Manchester didn’t describe a suicide bomber, and had slightly inflated numbers of the dead and wounded.) But in the West, “when ISIS claims something … usually there’s something there,” Joscelyn said." ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/99 "2017-10-02T15:54:32Z")
It was 100+ injured and 20+ dead. I just woke up and now it’s 515+ injured and 58+ dead. This is horrible. ---
**Author:** ![Falchion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a88e57/32.png) [@Falchion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Falchion)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/100 "2017-10-02T15:55:03Z")
> [@Falchion](#): > > I know that ISIS will regularly claim credit for Islamist-inspired violence, even where the person has no (known) link to ISIS itself. Does ISIS also claim credit for violence that is later determined not to be motivated by Islamist ideology (whether it turns out to be non-ideological or motivated by another ideology)? Well, the [AP provided an answer to my question](http://www.wxyz.com/news/isis-claims-responsibility-for-las-vegas-attack-without-evidence): > [@](#): > > The IS group often claims attacks by individuals inspired by its message but with no known links to the group. However, it is not known to have claimed any attacks that were not at least loosely linked to it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797.md?page=6)