# Mandalay Bay (Las Vegas) shooting **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [October 2, 2017, 7:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797 "2017-10-02T07:41:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/121 "2017-10-02T17:57:14Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > Analysts discussing how common it is for people to visit Vegas to but or sell guns and check into hotels with cases of them. The only time I’ve ever seen anything like that is during the [Shot Show](http://shotshow.org). ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/122 "2017-10-02T18:01:14Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > The only time I’ve ever seen anything like that is during the [Shot Show](http://shotshow.org). They have other gun shows there fairly regularly. Looks like [there is one scheduled for a few weeks from now in Las Vegas](https://www.crossroadsgunshows.com/event/cashman-field-center-las-vegas-nv-4/). I’m sure some small-time dealers and people disposing of their private collections haul them to and from their hotel rooms to not leave them exposed in vehicles overnight. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/123 "2017-10-02T18:01:23Z")
Last night, while the police activity was ongoing, Wayne Allyn Root, whose Twitter page calls him a “conservative WARrior”, and who’s a columnist for the Sheldon Adelson-owned local Las Vegas paper, was tweeting about “multiple Muslim shooters” at various hotels and casinos on the Strip. I was listening to the LVPD live dispatch feed, and I replied to him that his claims (which he said were supported by reliable sources and by police sources and liberals were lying) were not backed by what the police were saying. So instead of opening dialogue, he just blocked me. I was not argumentative, nor confrontational, I just said that the police feed didn’t support his claims. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/124 "2017-10-02T18:04:17Z")
> [@Dr.Strangelove](#): > > My money’s on a bump-fired AR-15, not a true automatic. Listen to the variation in shooting rate. An automatic wouldn’t sound like that. Bump firing (a spring-loaded stock that bumps the trigger on the rebound) will have that variation. Another possibility is a rotating handle that mechanically hits the trigger. The variation comes from the rate at which you spin the handle. Police said he had nineteen weapons in his room. ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/125 "2017-10-02T18:06:37Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > If the response time was really all that fast perhaps that implies that they were already enroute when the shooting started. > > To gather the team, drive from HQ, enter the hotel, locate the room, and breach it is the work of WAG 20+ minutes. I haven’t followed the story closely enough to establish a timeline from Paddock’s first to last shot. But if it’s much less than that there must have been some early warning. It’s not uncommon at all for SWAT to be prestaged at large events like this one. I’m betting they were already there, very close and ready to respond. Not due to having early warning, but simply out of precaution and standard procedure. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/126 "2017-10-02T18:06:47Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > They have other gun shows there fairly regularly. Looks like [there is one scheduled for a few weeks from now in Las Vegas](https://www.crossroadsgunshows.com/event/cashman-field-center-las-vegas-nv-4/). I’m sure some small-time dealers and people disposing of their private collections haul them to and from their hotel rooms to not leave them exposed in vehicles overnight. That’s my point: it happens because of a gun show. It’s not that Las Vegas is a lawless wasteland where lowlifes sell guns & ammo _right in casinos_ to whoever has the money 24/7/365; they’re legitimate dealers in town for a gun show. Besides, Nevada is an open carry state. It’s legal to carry a gun into a casino or a bar, as long as the owners haven’t said you cannot. And even then, all they can do is bar you for trespassing. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/127 "2017-10-02T18:08:56Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > If the response time was really all that fast perhaps that implies that they were already enroute when the shooting started. > > To gather the team, drive from HQ, enter the hotel, locate the room, and breach it is the work of WAG 20+ minutes. I haven’t followed the story closely enough to establish a timeline from Paddock’s first to last shot. But if it’s much less than that there must have been some early warning. A review of the timeline on the news puts the shooting spree at about an hour in length. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/128 "2017-10-02T18:10:22Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > His brother claims he has no political nor religious affiliations and just snapped. > > [Las Vegas shooter's brother says family is 'dumbfounded' | Daily Mail Online](http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4940800/Las-Vegas-shooter-s-brother-says-family-dumbfounded.html) > > I don’t believe him. This act took lots of planning. He was a regular gambler who apparently owned millions of dollars of property. I wonder if he lost it all. ---
**Author:** ![Bear\_Nenno](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bear_nenno/32/3358_2.png) [@Bear\_Nenno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bear_Nenno)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/129 "2017-10-02T18:12:48Z")
> [@up\_the\_junction](#): > > Oh stop it. He’s not wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/130 "2017-10-02T18:16:41Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > The vulturistic media is descending on the Cerritos home of Paddocks ex wife…before 6am. Police were dispatched to keep them away. They are already outside his Reno house, as well. Not sure why that would be news-worthy. ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/131 "2017-10-02T18:18:31Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > At this point I’m thinking ‘no-wing’ nutjob. Gee, whiz, why make any conjectures? It’s already official! Except that he’s not a “nut job”—he’s a “Maniac.”, The headline on [Foxnews.com](http://Foxnews.com) right now says “Police seek maniac gunman’s motive” (the quoted headline is on display currently, at 6:16 pm. ) ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/132 "2017-10-02T18:22:27Z")
Every media outlet has been reporting nonstop that Paddock is dead, apparently by suicide when the SWAT entered his room. There may be some doubt remaining whether they shot first, but he is unquestionably dead, and that seems to have been reported right away. So what does [Twitter](https://www.inquisitr.com/4530962/stephen-paddock-facebook-casino-lawsuit-twitter-calls-shooter-left-anti-trump-democrat-bernie-sanders-fan/) do? > [@](#): > > Meanwhile, in the rush to identify Paddock’s Facebook account, some Twitter users and other social media users took screenshots of the wrong Stephen Paddock’s Facebook account, as seen below. A “Stephen Paddock” from Nova Scotia has had his Facebook photos spread around, and that wrong Paddock is getting death threats. That page also lists a number of other rumors being repeated as fact on social media. They’re bad but issuing death threats against a man already known publicly to be dead needs to top some list. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/133 "2017-10-02T18:24:23Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Russian bots were all over this all night long with bullshit posts and theories. > > Rooms are tight on the Strip this week because of G2E. Just getting a room at MB at any price was extraordinary. His girlfriend had a Mandalay Bay platinum members’ card. They probably got discounts and priority. ---
**Author:** ![Tigers2B1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc29f/32.png) [@Tigers2B1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tigers2B1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/134 "2017-10-02T18:28:41Z")
> [@E-DUB](#): > > Re: possible political motivations. It pains me to say that a country music festival isn’t a likely target pick for a right-wing nutjob. Hope you recover soon. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/135 "2017-10-02T18:29:27Z")
[quote=“LSLGuy, post:101, topic:797797”] The city proper of Las Vegas is a section of the overall urban/suburban mass which in turn is smaller than the overall footprint of Clark County. But the city proper is where almost all the tourist and casino stuff is./QUOTE] The Strip and the airport are located in the unincorporated town of Paradise, Nevada. > **[Paradise, Nevada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradise,_Nevada)** > > Coordinates: .mw-parser-output .geo-default,.mw-parser-output .geo-dms,.mw-parser-output .geo-dec{display:inline}.mw-parser-output .geo-nondefault,.mw-parser-output .geo-multi-punct{display:none}.mw-parser-output .longitude,.mw-parser-output .latitude{white-space:nowrap}36°4′55″N 115°7′29″W / 36.08194°N 115.12472°W / 36.08194; -115.12472 > Paradise is an unincorporated town and census-designated place (CDP) in Clark County, Nevada, United States, adjacent to the city of Las Vegas. It was forme... ---
**Author:** ![vivalostwages](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/d07c76/32.png) [@vivalostwages](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vivalostwages)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/136 "2017-10-02T18:42:52Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [Bad shit comes to my town](https://apnews.com/4eeaef2efced49698855d13830de3327/Shooting-on-Las-Vegas-Strip-kills-2,-wounds-dozens). 2 dead, 24 hurt so far. > Latest word I’m hearing on the local news is that they know where the gunman is, but that’s all we know. [The video footage is scary](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zodiGpCdBzQ). The news I read this morning said 58 dead, 515 injured. ---
**Author:** ![Urbanredneck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ea5d25/32.png) [@Urbanredneck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Urbanredneck)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/137 "2017-10-02T19:20:02Z")
I wonder how this will effect future large concerts? ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/138 "2017-10-02T19:38:06Z")
How many people were at the concert? 515 injured seems like a lot for an outdoor concert, especially since it was in an open field not an ampitheater. What’s the scoop? Possibly just that much panic from shooting going right into the crowd, leading to stampeding? What a fucking thing. Dang. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/139 "2017-10-02T19:41:02Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > How many people were at the concert? 515 injured seems like a lot for an outdoor concert, especially since it was in an open field not an ampitheater. What’s the scoop? > > Possibly just that much panic from shooting going right into the crowd, leading to stampeding? > > What a fucking thing. Dang. Injured could mean almost anything, from shot-through-the-lung-and-on-life-support, to fell-and-skinned-your-knee-while-running-away, and anything in between. ETA: I really doubt he actually hit 515 individuals with gunfire. ---
**Author:** ![Baron\_Greenback](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/baron_greenback/32/48_2.png) [@Baron\_Greenback](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Baron_Greenback)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2017, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797/140 "2017-10-02T19:41:13Z")
> [@ZipperJJ](#): > > How many people were at the concert? 515 injured seems like a lot for an outdoor concert, especially since it was in an open field not an ampitheater. What’s the scoop? BBC reckons 22,000 at the gig. The fucker had a big target to aim at. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797.md?page=6) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalay-bay-las-vegas-shooting/797797.md?page=8)