# Mandalorian Season 2 Thread \[Open Spoilers\] **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** tv-shows-scripted\ **Created:** [October 12, 2020, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794 "2020-10-12T12:55:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/61 "2020-11-02T21:07:39Z")
> [@Nars\_Glinley](#): > > > [@Lobohan](#): > > > > “What are those cops with the Laser Swords called? You know the ones who can jump like 30 feet in the air. There was that one viral video of the dude in the robes who flung a speeder bike into a wall with his mind. Jodees? That doesn’t sound right.” > > That’s the logical result of tearing down all the Jedi statues. I literally laughed out loud 😃 I do think this episode was bit toooo long. I generally am fine with the relatively languid pace of the show, but in a 30-35 min episode I think it works well. In a 50 min episode, it just feels way too long. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/62 "2020-11-02T23:18:46Z")
Is there reason to think that was Boba Fett? I know it was the same actor, but there were quite a few of these clones running around. ---
**Author:** ![GuanoLad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guanolad/32/42_2.png) [@GuanoLad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GuanoLad)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/63 "2020-11-02T23:24:55Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > It’s a little weird that Mandalorians don’t know what a Jedi is. I view it as similar to us not knowing much about King Arthur. Most of us think he is a myth, the stories we get have been retold so often they have distorted and lost any truth there might have ever been in them, but some historians still cling to the idea that there may have been some real person the myth hangs on. Instead of the mists of time, most of the Galaxy has the mists of distance. There are only 10,000 Jedi Knights, and they are spread thin around the galaxy, with Tatooine an example of the furthest from where real things are happening. It may as well be 5000 years rather than 50 since the Clone Wars as far as how they were impacted. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/64 "2020-11-02T23:51:19Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > Is there reason to think that was Boba Fett? I know it was the same actor, but there were quite a few of these clones running around. I can’t find it now, but someone (_sorry nameless poster - I’d cite you by name if I could find the post_) upthread pointed out that Mando went to Tattooine, the last known location of Boba Fett; found his armor, which had apparently been recovered by Jawas; if his armor survived and was recovered, it stands to reason that he might have as well; dialogue established that the krayt dragon ate a sarlacc and took over its pit, giving at least a vaguely plausible explanation for how Boba Fett survived and escaped; and his armor was a pivotal plot point in the episode. If, after all of that centering of Boba Fett, if the lurking figure was random Clone Trooper #1138 instead of Boba Fett, it would be a _massive_ cheat. It’s not definitive that it’s Boba Fett, but that certainly seems to be the clear implication. ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/65 "2020-11-03T00:20:46Z")
It wouldn’t be a cheat to have it be Captain Rex. Plus we already have it on pretty good authority that other people in Rex’s orbit show up this season. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/66 "2020-11-03T00:35:06Z")
I certainly wouldn’t mind seeing Captain Rex or another trooper from _Clone Wars_ show up at some point, but given all of the set up we saw, I think it would be a _massive_ cheat if the figure we saw watching Mando speed away with Boba Fett’s armor isn’t Boba Fett. Plus, if it’s not Boba Fett, then the episode becomes even more pointless. It already felt disconnected from main plot. If it’s not even setting up the return of the most famous (in the real world) Mandalorian, then the whole episode seems completely irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/67 "2020-11-03T01:33:10Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > If it’s not even setting up the return of the most famous (in the real world) Mandalorian, then the whole episode seems completely irrelevant. Is it ever stated outside the EU (which Disney has explicitly excluded from canon) that Boba is an actual, bona-fide Mandalorian? I always thought he was a poser who took on the mythos (like guys who get the tats and claim to have been Navy SEALs). ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/68 "2020-11-03T01:39:27Z")
> [@Zakalwe](#): > > Is it ever stated outside the EU (which Disney has explicitly excluded from canon) that Boba is an actual, bona-fide Mandalorian? Nope. Take a look at the Star Wars Wiki, and the entries for Boba and Jango – and make sure you’re looking at the “Canon” tab, and not the “Legends” (i.e., no longer canon) tab. In Jango’s entry: > [@](#): > > Though allegedly from the [planet](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Planet) [Concord Dawn](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Concord_Dawn), Fett was not [Mandalorian](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Mandalorian) but a common [mercenary](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Mercenary) according to the [government](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/New_Mandalorians) of [Mandalore](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Mandalore). The only canon Mandalorian reference for Boba is in that he, like his father, wore modified Mandalorian armor. > **[Boba Fett](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Boba_Fett)** > > Boba Fett was a human male crime lord and former bounty hunter whose career spanned decades, from the fall of the Galactic Republic to the end of the rule of the Galactic Empire. Originally code-named Alpha, he was an unaltered clone of the famed... > **[Jango Fett](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jango_Fett)** > > I'm just a simple man trying to make my way in the universe.Jango Fett Jango Fett was a famed Mandalorian human male bounty hunter and the clone template of the Grand Army of the Republic. Known as the best bounty hunter in the galaxy during the... ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/69 "2020-11-03T01:53:51Z")
For what it’s worth, the actor playing the role is 60, and Boba Fett would be 40 at this point. But Rex would be older because of the advanced aging that the clones undergo. I agree that Occam’s Razor is that it’s Boba Fett, but honestly, I always thought Boba Fett was tremendously over rated (I mean, does anyone die more pathetically and comically in the entire Star Wars universe?) and Rex was actually a much more thoroughly built out character. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/70 "2020-11-03T02:02:13Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > As I noted upthread, I think this series has avoided bloat, and that each episode, each scene within an episode, each individual shot, seems well-planned. I didn’t think any of the episodes has been “slow-moving” - they all seemed well-paced to me. > > I get that it might come off as a “generic” space western. There’s a fine line between iconic and cliche. I appreciate it for thoughtfully using iconic elements and genre tropes. I think whether it comes off as loving homage and knowing use of iconography, or as derivative cliche is just down to taste. About two minutes in I whispered (no one else was home)… “This is the least Disney show I have ever seen.” The soundtrack (which I noticed in Ep. 1 was full of “found” sound effects… “post-industrial”?), the characters, and especially the pace. Very refreshing. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/71 "2020-11-03T02:02:23Z")
As far as I can tell, it’s never actually been established in current canon whether Jango and Boba were “actual” Mandalorians or posers. I don’t think it’s ever been firmly indicated on-screen anywhere, one way or the other. There are apparently public statements from behind-the-camera folks, including _The Mandalorian_ co-creator Dave Filoni, that the Fetts weren’t really Mandalorians, but promotional material for _The Mandalorian_ apparently indicates that they were. Also, what Mandalorians even are seems to vary considerably even within the current canon. The way they are depicted differs significantly from _The Clone Wars_ animated series to _Rebels_ to _The Mandalorian_, and Dave Filoni produced all three of them. Finally, for whatever it’s worth, Boba Fett’s Wookiepedia entry unequivocally states that the figure we see at the end of “The Marshal” is Boba Fett, and uses that shot as his portrait. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/72 "2020-11-03T02:11:22Z")
> [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > For what it’s worth, the actor playing the role is 60, and Boba Fett would be 40 at this point. But Rex would be older because of the advanced aging that the clones undergo. We know that the clone troopers age faster than normal, and that Boba was “special” and not subjected to the same processes as the other clone troopers, but I don’t think we technically know for sure that he _doesn’t_ also suffer from accelerated aging (it’s certainly a common trope for fictional clones, with some basis in reality). And spending any amount of time the Sarlacc’s gut probably ages a guy. And Temuera Morrison looked pretty good for a 60-year old in that shot; I think he could easily pass for a 40-year old who’s lived a hard life. > [@Fiveyearlurker](#): > > I agree that Occam’s Razor is that it’s Boba Fett, but honestly, I always thought Boba Fett was tremendously over rated (I mean, does anyone die more pathetically and comically in the entire Star Wars universe?) and Rex was actually a much more thoroughly built out character. Considering that Boba Fett got about 5 minutes total screen time, and four very short lines, just about _any_ of the Clone Troopers with a name was a more thoroughly built out character… ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/73 "2020-11-03T02:26:08Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Also, what Mandalorians even are seems to vary considerably even within the current canon. The way they are depicted differs significantly from _The Clone Wars_ animated series to _Rebels_ to _The Mandalorian_ , and Dave Filoni produced all three of them. My headcanon is that the Mandolorian covert shown in _The Mandalorian_ is an offshoot of the main culture, sort of a more fundamentalist group than the ones on and around Mandalore itself (like Sabine). Whether it’s because they’ve been cut off, or they’re a splinter group, I don’t know. Another possibility is that following the Night of a Thousand Tears, there was some sort of diaspora from Mandalore, and an increased interest in and following of “the old ways”. Heck, how many flavors of Christian, Jew, Muslim are there - even within a single broad religion, there can be massive differences. We’ll probably find out more as the show progresses - especially if Sabine shows up and takes off her helmet! ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/74 "2020-11-03T02:32:28Z")
That’s pretty much the headcanon I put forward in the Season 1 thread: > [@The Mandalorian series on Disney+ (spoilers as it airs)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-mandalorian-series-on-disney-spoilers-as-it-airs/842670/274): > > IIUC, The Clone Wars and Rebels animated series are supposed to be Disney-era canon and in continuity with The Mandalorian. However, the portrayal of Mandalorians in each of the three series is wildly inconsistent with the others. Here’s my headcanon/fanwank attempt at reconciling them: Centuries (millennia?) ago, the Mandalorians were a warrior culture known and feared throughout the Galaxy. They frequently came into conflict with the Old Republic and the Jedi Order. However, over time, they … ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 10:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/75 "2020-11-03T10:38:57Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > I guess I’m Ok with Temuera Morrison returning but the fact that the original Boba Fett isn’t on board is just a load of Bullochs. Who do you consider “the original Boba Fett”? Don Francks, who voiced him in the Holiday Special, died in 2016. Jeremy Bulloch, who played him in TESB and ROTJ, is 75, far too old to play a character who’s supposed to be 41, and additionally retired from acting in 2016. Daniel Logan, who played him in AOTC, has only appeared in B-movies since then. ---
**Author:** ![DarthVander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/7993a0/32.png) [@DarthVander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DarthVander)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/76 "2020-11-03T13:13:44Z")
I’d be very surprised if that turns out to be someone other than Boba Fett. That’s not to say Morrison can’t double as Rex as well. He looked a LOT older on Rebels already though than Morrison in this scene, and that’s about 15 years before The Mandalorian in-universe. And I enjoy those headcanon explanations for the inconsistencies with Mandalorian culture, but I do hope the show will provide their own explanation at some point why Din Djarin’s group acted so differently from Mandalorians we’ve seen before. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [November 3, 2020, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/77 "2020-11-03T15:48:27Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > > [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > > > I guess I’m Ok with Temuera Morrison returning but the fact that the original Boba Fett isn’t on board is just a load of Bullochs. > > Who do you consider “the original Boba Fett”? Don Francks, who voiced him in the Holiday Special, died in 2016. Jeremy Bulloch, who played him in TESB and ROTJ, is 75, far too old to play a character who’s supposed to be 41, and additionally retired from acting in 2016. Daniel Logan, who played him in AOTC, has only appeared in B-movies since then. Bulloch… bullocks… get it? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2020, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/78 "2020-11-05T15:54:22Z")
I watched it last night. I liked it. I think the main point of this episode is Mando’s character growth. We see him develop more flexibility in the Creed when he accepts the Marshal’s bargaining. We see him leading a large band instead of acting alone or in a small group. Of course he left with the MacGuffin, leading to wherever it goes. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2020, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/79 "2020-11-05T16:14:42Z")
Was I the only one expecting him to let the marshal keep the armor at the end? Like he proved that he was worthy of it. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2020, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794/80 "2020-11-05T17:11:08Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > I think the main point of this episode is Mando’s character growth. We see him develop more flexibility in the Creed when he accepts the Marshal’s bargaining. We see him leading a large band instead of acting alone or in a small group. > > Of course he left with the MacGuffin, leading to wherever it goes. I like that reading. If that’s the through-line of this season, that the Mandalorian grows in his understanding of the Way and becomes more thoughtful and less reflexively dogmatic, then I think I’ll retroactively like this episode more. > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Was I the only one expecting him to let the marshal keep the armor at the end? Like he proved that he was worthy of it. I think **Pleonast** is right, that by the end of the season he’s going to wind up there. I’m betting that in the finale, he goes back to the Marshal for aid (ala Cara Dune in Season 1), and at that point gives him back the armor. I’m also wildspeccing that the Mandalorian will find Boba Fett, and try to return the armor, but Boba Fett will reject it for his own reasons, and they will discuss the Way and what it means to them, and our Hero will gain a new perspective, that eventually leads him to conclude that the Marshal should have the armor. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandalorian-season-2-thread-open-spoilers/922794.md?page=5)