# Mandatory birth control for welfare? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [February 1, 2008, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandatory-birth-control-for-welfare/435832 "2008-02-01T06:24:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandatory-birth-control-for-welfare/435832/241 "2015-03-27T19:37:47Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I have direct personal experience in the area which I can not speak about in detail because of the law. And in my personal opinion, an anonymous person’s “direct personal experience that I can’t talk about” does not reach the level of a “cite” in a forum such as Great Debates. Obviously, YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandatory-birth-control-for-welfare/435832/242 "2015-03-27T19:46:33Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > And in my personal opinion, an anonymous person’s “direct personal experience that I can’t talk about” does not reach the level of a “cite” in a forum such as Great Debates. > > Obviously, YMMV. And, I provided you with \*cites that more than proves her point. \* Demanding that the cites come from one person and one person only is also something we dont do in Great Debates. So, can you drop the hijack so we can get back to the actual, you know- debate? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandatory-birth-control-for-welfare/435832/243 "2015-03-27T20:01:57Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > And, I provided you with \*cites that more than proves her point. \* In an ideal world, the person making the claim would provide the cite, or at least would when asked for it, rather than waiting for others to provide the cite for her at a later date. > [@](#): > > So, can you drop the hijack so we can get back to the actual, you know- debate? Challenging cites is **part** of the debate, and not a hijack. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandatory-birth-control-for-welfare/435832/244 "2015-03-27T20:18:45Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > In an ideal world, the person making the claim would provide the cite… Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandatory-birth-control-for-welfare/435832/245 "2015-03-27T20:36:47Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > And in my personal opinion, an anonymous person’s “direct personal experience that I can’t talk about” does not reach the level of a “cite” in a forum such as Great Debates. I was not, in that circumstance, _claiming_ it was a cite, only that I had personal experience and I specifically said I could not provide a cite. You’re claiming that I claimed something I did not, in fact claim and in fact specifically stated I was _not_ claiming. So we’re both agreed I did not make a cite so can we get back to the debate already? We could discuss _theory_ rather than the real world. We could discuss what’s done in other countries. There’s actually quite a bit left in this topic. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2015, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandatory-birth-control-for-welfare/435832/246 "2015-03-27T20:54:43Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I was not, in that circumstance, _claiming_ it was a cite, only that I had personal experience and I specifically said I could not provide a cite. You’re claiming that I claimed something I did not, in fact claim and in fact specifically stated I was _not_ claiming. > > **So we’re both agreed I did not make a cite so can we get back to the debate already?** As you wish. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2015, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandatory-birth-control-for-welfare/435832/247 "2015-03-28T04:30:08Z")
> [@MissTake](#): > > You are correct - I explained myself poorly. Thanks for talking it out with me. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2015, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandatory-birth-control-for-welfare/435832/248 "2015-03-29T03:32:58Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I’ve seen these discussions before, where people like **curlcoat** claim that reproductive rights can’t be infringed. The hell? Do you just make these things up as you go along, or do you really not understand what people are saying? I have _never_ said anything like that. > [@pbbth](#): > > No, we have about 6 months worth of living expenses saved up and family that would pitch in for things if necessary. I was just wondering how exactly you are figuring that you getting benefits is cool because you paid taxes but someone else getting benefits after paying taxes isn’t kosher. Because I paid a specific tax to go to a specific fund, to act as a pension for me later on. Welfare just comes out of the general fund (as far as I know) that could be used for other, far more useful to society things than raising babies in poverty. > [@](#): > > After all, if I never file for SSDI all that money doesn’t get put in an envelope and given back to me, it goes into the overall fund, so to say that it is “my” money and that I paid in and “earned” my benefit would be incorrect. The taxes are paid and the funds set aside to help those who need it, not to act as a savings account for each individual person, no matter what math they decide to use when choosing how much benefit you recieve. Why are so many people focused on the fact the government doesn’t set aside the specific money that was sent in from each of our paychecks? It’s not like they do that with private pensions, so I really don’t get what the point is here. Also, you do understand that if you don’t file for SSDI, that money is what you get later after you retire as your Social Security payments? That because I had to file for SSDI, I will not get as much in payments ever, than if I had been able to wait until I was at least 62? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2015, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandatory-birth-control-for-welfare/435832/249 "2015-03-29T10:48:18Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Because I paid a specific tax to go to a specific fund, to act as a pension for me later on. Welfare just comes out of the general fund (as far as I know) that could be used for other, far more useful to society things than raising babies in poverty. Quite a few of us feel that spending some money on a baby in poverty is preferable to either burying said baby prematurely, or spending a lot more money on said baby once he/she grows up to be a completely dysfunctional adult. Is it better to a fix a problem with your car when it costs $50 or wait until the problem costs $5,000? Same principal. Tell me, how do you feel about the Earned Income Tax Credit? ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2015, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandatory-birth-control-for-welfare/435832/250 "2015-04-03T22:01:25Z")
> [@Youngbrick76](#): > > Why should I have to pay for someone else’s irresponsibility? Same reason you have to pay taxes to support the police, who exist mainly to deal with someone else’s irresponsibility. > [@Youngbrick76](#): > > The current welfare system is just another form of slavery designed to keep the poor and ignorant dependant on there masters aka the government. Usually, the master **gets** something out of a master-slave relationship. What’s the government getting out of this? Votes? There is no “welfare vote” that matters. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/mandatory-birth-control-for-welfare/435832.md?page=12)