# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 105
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2081 "2024-04-22T16:25:19Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Plus, if everything about him taking adderall are true, it makes sense. All riled up at one point and then falling asleep after if wears off. Scrolling through my phone’s news app, I ran across a bit saying that it must be rough for him not to down a diet coke when he needs a boost. It claimed that in a normal day he downs 12. No clue if anyone knows typical amounts. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2082 "2024-04-22T16:32:06Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Just as an aside, Mr Pecker must have had a rough time in high school. But now he can say “I’m Mr. Pecker head of the National Enquirer.” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2083 "2024-04-22T16:38:00Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > . pecker is loose I see what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2084 "2024-04-22T16:44:53Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > “this case is about a criminal conspiracy and a cover up.” I belief you’re quoting the prosecutor during opening, but is this a conspiracy? Not in the legal sense anyways (if there are conspiracy charges let me know). Id think by framing this as a conspiracy they will need to rely on others actions/words to prove Trump’s intent. Which makes it tough to prove. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2085 "2024-04-22T16:45:10Z")
trump is speaking in the pen. court is done for the day. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2086 "2024-04-22T16:48:02Z")
yes, that was from the prosecutor. i believe they are presenting pecker, trump, cohen and others in a conspiracy to interfere with an election. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2087 "2024-04-22T16:48:26Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > he can say “I’m Mr. Pecker head of the National Enquirer.” You know Mr. Pecker would. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2088 "2024-04-22T16:51:56Z")
I believe the conspiracy piece is essential. The defense is asserting that all these individual actions are perfectly legal. The prosecution is pointing out, correctly, that the combination of the acts amounts to a crime. On MSNBC the analogy used was that it may be perfectly legal to give your associates a ride in your car, but not if you were the getaway driver from a bank robbery. The jurors have to consider how these acts dovetail—i.e., a conspiracy. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2089 "2024-04-22T16:55:53Z")
Gotcha. As a semi-normal person I might then look for a charge of conspiracy and not see it charged here and wonder why if they keep going on about conspiracy. I guess they are just using the non-legal sense of the word. Not sure it makes a difference. Just something I noticed. It definitely means Trump will need to be aware/approve/etc of others actions and there can be no reasonable doubt about whether Trump was aware/approved/etc. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2090 "2024-04-22T16:56:14Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > pecker is loose > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I see what you did there. Are we not doing “Phrasing!” anymore? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2091 "2024-04-22T17:12:32Z")
perhaps we could do a mad libs? pick your adjective. [breezy](https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/breezy),[calm](https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/calm),[carefree](https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/carefree),[casual](https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/casual),[composed](https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/composed),[easy](https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/easy),[easygoing](https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/easygoing),[flexible](https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/flexible),[informal](https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/informal),[laid-back](https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/laid-back),[nonchalant](https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/nonchalant),[placid](https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/placid),[serene](https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/serene),[spontaneous](https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/spontaneous),[tolerant](https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/tolerant),[tranquil](https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/tranquil) ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2092 "2024-04-22T17:25:05Z")
Just to answer my question a bit. Trump is alleged to have falsified business records (a misdemeanor). To make that same crime a felony (what he’s charged with), he needs to have falsified those records with the intent to conceal another different crime. Here, based on the opening tidbits I’ve read, it appears prosecutors will focus on the other crime of conspiracy to commit election interference. So yea I’m pretty confused. Not sure if lawyer jurors help or hurt. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2093 "2024-04-22T17:35:04Z")
Will there be testimony tomorrow or are they taking up the gag order violations or can they do both? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2094 "2024-04-22T17:38:08Z")
there should be testimony from 11-2. the gag order violations should happen before 11. the jury is not needed for that. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2095 "2024-04-22T17:41:42Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > it appears prosecutors will focus on the other crime of conspiracy to commit election interference. If I recall correctly, it’s election fraud to give or **receive** donations exceeding $2500 from an individual, or from any amount from a corporation, so it’s a direct count of election fraud that donald committed. The conspiracy part is the allegation that Cohen and Pecker were acting in concert with, and with the full knowledge of, donald Trump. If he wasn’t aware of their activities, then I’m guessing donald can argue that he never received these contributions; it was just his friends doing him a solid (which they did unlawfully, but without donald being culpable) ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2096 "2024-04-22T19:11:33Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > there should be testimony from 11-2. Today, the case was tried for only a few hours. And it looks like only three hours are allocated for tomorrow. Is there a reason the trial is not going on ~8 hours per day? Seems like most major news-making trials start ~9 a.m. and go on through the early evening, 5 p.m. or so. At least on most days, and yes, before lunch breaks and recesses are deducted. But still. Wrapping up by 2 p.m. on a testimony day seems unusual compared to other high-profile trials. ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2097 "2024-04-22T19:16:35Z")
Today and tomorrow are scheduled to be this short due to Passover. This is not how the entire trial will run. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2098 "2024-04-22T19:16:47Z")
Didn’t a juror have a pre-arranged dental appointment (and isn’t it Passover, and that was arranged in advance, too)? ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2099 "2024-04-22T19:25:11Z")
I heard that today’s was an accommodation for a juror, also. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2100 "2024-04-22T19:43:48Z")
> [@bordelond](#): > > Is there a reason the trial is not going on ~8 hours per day? Normally it will run from 9:30 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. with time off for lunch, except on Wednesdays, unless the trial schedule falls behind. Today an alternate juror had a toothache and a scheduled dental appointment to address it, so Judge Merchan recessed early to accommodate the juror’s needs. And Passover. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=104) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=106)