# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 124
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2461 "2024-04-26T18:24:08Z")
Haha thanks. I really appreciate how it looks like my avatar is looking down at my posts like, what the heck did I just say? Back on topic, yes, but Cohen is a perjurer, who has directly insulted Trump repeatedly. He can’t let that go, and he can just hand wave away anything he says as coming from a liar. His followers have already turned on Cohen. Also, Pecker has “the safe”, which I believe is currently whereabouts unknown: > **[National Enquirer hid Trump secrets in a safe, removed them before inauguration](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/national-enquirer-hid-trump-secrets-safe-removed-them-inauguration-n903356)** > > The documents were stored alongside similar materials involving other celebrities. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2462 "2024-04-26T18:28:07Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > That’s true, but hasn’t Trump being taking shots at Cohen? Thus my comments about the lawyers being able to control him for how long. 🙂 Pecker is/was useful for Trump, but Cohen was a consigliere - guess which one he hates _more_. And of course, Cohen is a lot more vulnerable as a convicted crook. So, if I was Trump’s lawyer (not even for a million dollars in advance of course) I’d pick my battles. And even then he’s attacked Cohen’s credibility more than his prior direct attacks. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2463 "2024-04-26T18:30:27Z")
I just want to say, speaking as a total outsider looking in, and lacking any knowledge of legal proceedings, that the distinct vibe I get from the testimony so far is that Trump is rotten to the core, and virtually everything he does is shady and self-serving and done with zero regard for the law. I hope the jury is getting the same impression. Also that Steinglass really knows what he’s doing and is just getting warmed up. Trump’s lawyers may or may not be any good (judging by their performance so far they’re not, and don’t even get me started on Alina Habba) but even the best lawyers are hamstrung if they have nothing to work with, or are being micromanaged by an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2464 "2024-04-26T18:37:34Z")
> [@BeepKillBeep](#): > > That’s true, but hasn’t Trump being taking shots at Cohen? > > Granted the circumstances are a bit different between Pecker and Cohen, in that Cohen made a more conscience decision to turn on Trump after he was charged/convicted (I don’t recall which came first). But Pecker’s testimony has been quite damning. If Cohen had anything more on Trump, he’d have told it by now. What does Pecker know? Could be a lot of things. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2465 "2024-04-26T18:37:57Z")
re-cross has started. I hope it’s quick and we get the next witness. The pundits think it will be McDougal, Hicks or Kellyanne Conway. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2466 "2024-04-26T18:41:57Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > or Kellyanne Conway. That would be fascinating. I didn’t realize she was a potential witness ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2467 "2024-04-26T18:43:00Z")
defence is trying to get pecker to say that mcdougal was a celebrity. pecker is saying no. “i wouldn’t say there was a value to her brand to a media company.” ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2468 "2024-04-26T18:43:09Z")
I know that they don’t have to tell the order of the witnesses but the witness list itself is known to the Defense. It must be available. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2469 "2024-04-26T18:45:01Z")
It’s Rhona Graff ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2470 "2024-04-26T18:45:05Z")
rhona graff is being called to the stand. trump former assistant, since 1987. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2471 "2024-04-26T18:47:23Z")
I can’t imagine this will go well for Donny Diaperful. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2472 "2024-04-26T18:47:46Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > That would be fascinating. I didn’t realize she was a potential witness > [@wikithingy](#): > > On July 1, 2016, Trump announced that he had hired Conway for a senior advisory position on his presidential campaign Conway was expected to advise Trump on how to better appeal to female voters. On August 19, following the resignation of Paul Manafort, Trump named Conway the campaign’s third campaign manager. She served in this capacity for 10 weeks, through the November 8 general election, and was the first woman to successfully run an American presidential campaign The backing crime is tied to his attempt to get elected. She was a central part of that scheme, so she would have inside knowledge about strategies and actions related to that. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2473 "2024-04-26T18:48:08Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > rhona graff is being called to the stand. trump former assistant, since 1987. From 1987 and through his time in the White House. She was known as his gatekeeper. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2474 "2024-04-26T18:50:42Z")
Oh boy! I’m guessing she’s going to _authenticate_ (I.e. verify as accurate so that they can be admitted as evidence) some internal communications from the Trump team. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2475 "2024-04-26T18:52:25Z")
Pecker mentioned being in a meeting with Trump and Graff when checks and invoices were signed. She can corraborate that. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2476 "2024-04-26T18:54:25Z")
She said that so far as she knows, Trump never used email. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2477 "2024-04-26T18:56:10Z")
And two contacts that she maintained at the Trump Organization were for Karen McDougal and Stormy Daniels. Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2478 "2024-04-26T18:59:33Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I just want to say, speaking as a total outsider looking in, and lacking any knowledge of legal proceedings, that the distinct vibe I get from the testimony so far is that Trump is rotten to the core, and virtually everything he does is shady and self-serving and done with zero regard for the law. I hope the jury is getting the same impression. I think judges and juries see things your way when he finally makes it into court. His delay tactics might work, see current Supreme Court case about presidential immunity, but once the case actually starts he loses and he loses big. Pretty much ever single time. With Trump it’s like turnover over a rock and watching all the vermin trying to crawl away. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2479 "2024-04-26T19:00:12Z")
She worked for him for _30 years_! Can you imagine how many slights, insults, or outrageous acts he did over that time? Yet she likely kept quiet, just figuring that maybe, just maybe, one day somebody might come and ask what she’s seen. (At least, that’s how I like to imagine it. Maybe she’s a crook like all the rest of them and just doesn’t want to get sent to Rikers. But I like to think that there might have been an honest broker all the while, watching, who was simply ignored because she wasn’t flashy enough) ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2480 "2024-04-26T19:02:27Z")
She was subpoenaed in the documents case already in 2022. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=123) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=125)