# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 133
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2641 "2024-04-30T17:08:20Z")
Lunch ends at 2:15 which is the deadline for those posts to be removed. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2642 "2024-04-30T17:09:52Z")
So, how long will it before before Trump violates the gag order again and dares the judge to jail him? I think since he has announced that he is going to campaign during the trial break that he will do it just before then, so he can cry about the crooked judge not letting him campaign. If he does, I think the judge should delay his time in a cell until he returns back to the trial. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2643 "2024-04-30T17:14:49Z")
New thread from new SDMB poster: “Locked out of my Truth Social account. How can I get back in?? [Need answer fast!]” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2644 "2024-04-30T17:22:37Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Davidson replied, “Good. Throw in an ambassadorship for me. I’m thinking Isle of Mann.” > > Davidson noted that was a joke. > > “It was sort of in jest,” Davidson said. “That was just a joke.” > > Davidson said that the joke was a reference to “Mr. Trump’s candidacy.” Even considering that it was a joke, does offering to exchange silence for an ambassadorship do anything to further the claim that this was all done in order to help him get elected. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2645 "2024-04-30T17:31:15Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Even considering that it was a joke, does offering to exchange silence for an ambassadorship do anything to further the claim that this was all done in order to help him get elected… It certainly puts the thought in the jury’s mind that some people at least were very aware early on that this was a politically motivated deal. That the purpose of the deal was to prevent the news coming out so as to prevent the collapse of Trump’s candidacy. This was clearly apparent to Davidson at the time. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2646 "2024-04-30T17:39:16Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > I understand that refusing to stipulate certain documents and videos might be a delaying tactic, but isn’t Trump complaining about being stuck in the “freezing” courtroom and not campaigning? Wouldn’t he prefer a quicker trial? It’s almost as if Trump doesn’t always tell the truth! ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2647 "2024-04-30T17:41:59Z")
the posts that the judge told him to take down are being taken down. someone is following the ruling. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2648 "2024-04-30T17:42:05Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > So, how long will it before before Trump violates the gag order again and dares the judge to jail him? I think he’ll sit tight for a bit. The good thing (from his perspective) about the fines is that he knows exactly where the judge considers the lines to be, and his bluster about being honored to go to jail for contempt is how you know that the thought terrifies him. I wouldn’t bet on him making it through the entire trial, though. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2649 "2024-04-30T18:00:08Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I think this is another good example of just how bad Trump does when he’s got a case that goes to court. Doesn’t do him any good that he’s Guilty As Fuck. > [@hajario](#): > > I want him to answer, “What was the nature of your relationship with Ms. Daniels”? Haven’t you heard enough of his lies? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2650 "2024-04-30T18:02:18Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > I wouldn’t bet on him making it through the entire trial, though I’m betting he deliberately violates the order sometime on Friday afternoon, because he’s betting that the judge won’t dare let him cool his heels in jail all weekend. I’d also bet that he’s wrong about that. ---
**Author:** ![Kelby2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ebca7d/32.png) [@Kelby2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelby2)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2651 "2024-04-30T18:05:51Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > trump has now opened his eyes as video of him at the deposition is being played. > > this is from the e jean deposition. > > keith davidson is up now. former lawyer for daniels and mcdougal. > > Former President Donald Trump has closed his eyes and leaned back in his chair several times during testimony on Tuesday, according to CNN reporters in the courthouse. > > At about 10:20 a.m. ET, Trump’s eyes were closed as his lawyer started the cross-examination of Gary Farro, Michael Cohen’s former banker who testified about the paper trail. > > At about 10:30 a.m., Trump slumped back in his chair with his eyes closed. > > And just before noon, Trump again leaned back in his chair with his eyes closed during testimony of Phillip Thompson, who works for a court reporting company. “Mistrial! You allowed testimony to be heard while I was sleeping!” ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2652 "2024-04-30T18:06:55Z")
The posts determined to be in violation of the gag order have reportedly been removed, as per the judge’s instructions. So, at least for now, it looks like he’s abiding by the decision. It is to be determined how long that lasts. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2653 "2024-04-30T18:17:42Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > > [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > > > I wouldn’t bet on him making it through the entire trial, though > > I’m betting he deliberately violates the order sometime on Friday afternoon, because he’s betting that the judge won’t dare let him cool his heels in jail all weekend. > > I’d also bet that he’s wrong about that. I think he’ll wait until _next_ week, and then try something deniable, like having his election team but not _directly_ Trump post something. I also tend to assume that the judge will give Trump one more set of fines with another statement saying “Three strikes and you’re out” before going to jail time. But that third strike, yes, I think he means it. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2654 "2024-04-30T18:17:58Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > the posts that the judge told him to take down are being taken down. someone is following the ruling. I’m disappointed in myself that my first thought was “Aw, man!” ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2655 "2024-04-30T18:22:59Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > I’m betting he deliberately violates the order sometime on Friday afternoon, because he’s betting that the judge won’t dare let him cool his heels in jail all weekend. > > I’d also bet that he’s wrong about that. That’s not how it seems to work. So far it’s been: Trump posts Prosecution makes a motion (or whatever it’s called) to the Court Defense responds Judge sets a date for the hearing in the future and reviews the above Judge rules ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2656 "2024-04-30T18:25:13Z")
quote=“Moriarty, post:2631, topic:980953”] Cohen has talked shit (literally) ([https://i.ibb.co/ZL9wbLb/IMG-1816.png](https://i.ibb.co/ZL9wbLb/IMG-1816.png)) [/quote] He has the wrong message, though. When he says “We are all hoping that you take the stand in your defense”, he should really be saying, “You’re too chicken to take the stand in your own defense”. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2657 "2024-04-30T18:31:28Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > So, at least for now, it looks like he’s abiding by the decision. It is to be determined how long that lasts. A handler on his team has removed the posts I would guess. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2658 "2024-04-30T18:34:57Z")
My guess as well, even assuming that he’d know how to take them down. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2659 "2024-04-30T18:40:40Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > even assuming that he’d know how to take them down Do we have any evidence that he even knows they were taken down? That’s exactly the sort of thing I’d hide from him, if I were his employee, and also trying to avoid him blowing up. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2660 "2024-04-30T18:43:58Z")
Good point. If he did notice, I wouldn’t admit to being the one who did it. Of course, given Trump’s “management” style of setting everyone against each other in a death-struggle to survive, someone else would probably out me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=132) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=134)