# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 135
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2681 "2024-04-30T20:16:08Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Judge Juan Merchan is on the bench and the prosecutors are back in the courtroom. > > However, Donald Trump is not here yet. > > The judge had warned Trump attorney Todd Blanche about not being late when they returned from lunch. I’d be willing to bet that the constant lateness is at Trump’s direct instigation, just a f\*ck-you to the judge, because that’s just the kind of mature individual he is. And I’m equally willing to bet that the lawyers are strongly against it, and are getting another f\*ck-you from the Orange One. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2682 "2024-04-30T20:16:45Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > The full appellate panel, made up of five justices, [issued their order](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24628684-ny-appeals-court-ruling-on-trump-trial) to also deny the motion on Tuesday. TL;DR: “Uh, no.” Seriously. It’s that terse. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2683 "2024-04-30T20:17:09Z")
before the trial started most people thought michael cohen was the star and the others would be corroborating. now thinking is the other way. from cnn update: We’re back to looking at text messages between Davidson and Howard. These texts pick up after Howard said Trump was tight. Howard texted Davidson, “I reckon that Trump impersonator I hired has more cash.” Davidson testified he interpreted that text to mean “that Trump wasn’t as wealthy as he stated.” Trump was looking at a note from Todd Blanche just now and the attorney was smiling. Trump was not and handed it back to him. Trump leaned back to look toward Steinglass as the judge continued sustaining objections to the prosecutor’s questions. Donald Trump’s lawyers objected to a line of questioning related to Keith Davidson’s grand jury testimony. The judge sustained the objection. Trump is shaking his head side to side in court. ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2684 "2024-04-30T20:18:13Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > > [@rocking\_chair](#): > > > > The full appellate panel, made up of five justices, [issued their order](https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/24628684-ny-appeals-court-ruling-on-trump-trial) to also deny the motion on Tuesday. > > TL;DR: “Uh, no.” > > Seriously. It’s that terse. Now _that’s_ a well-placed page break. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2685 "2024-04-30T20:31:35Z")
And we are done for the day. Tomorrow is an off day. Thursday at 9:30 is the gag order hearing. Trial starts at 10 ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2686 "2024-04-30T20:33:30Z")
last update: Davidson is now discussing a series of texts from October 2016 about efforts to salvage the Stormy Daniels deal. On October 25, Howard texted Davidson: “Going to see Pecker in 15. Will ask for an update. Any word?” That was a reference to the publisher of the National Enquirer David Pecker. “I’m awaiting a call any second,” Davidson responded via text. He testified he could not remember who that was in reference to. Davidson says he thought AMI, the owner of the National Enquirer, was attempting to “resurrect” the Stormy Daniels deal. Davidson explained that Howard forwarded him a text Howard had sent to Cohen: "I wrote — Keith calling you urgently. We have to coordinate something on the matter he’s calling you about or could look awfully bad for everyone.” Howard texts Davidson: “push (Cohen) for the cash. DP and I just told him he has to pay the 150k.” Davidson texts Howard, “He says that you are paying.” **Some context:** Looking at these texts from October 25, 2016, Davidson testified his understanding from Howard at this point was Michael Cohen would resurrect the deal and Davidson “should try to get as much as he could up to $150,000.” Before breaking for the day, Keith Davidson described Michael Cohen like the dog who yells “Squirrel!” Steinglass asks how was Cohen’s demeanor during this time on the phone. “He was highly excitable, sort of a pants-on-fire kind of guy,” Davidson said. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2687 "2024-04-30T20:34:16Z")
Trump in his usual post-court rant: “Bragg didn’t want to bring this case.” Where did Trump get that from? And how could he tell? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2688 "2024-04-30T20:53:38Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Where did Trump get that from? And how could he tell? He pulled it out of his ass. Making shit up is what Trump does. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2689 "2024-04-30T20:58:55Z")
Yeah, Bragg wanted so badly not to bring the case, that thats where Trump is raging from today. What a dumbass. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2024, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2690 "2024-04-30T21:04:28Z")
Being charitable toward the impaired POS … he may be referring to the previous DANY, Cyrus Vance, taking a pause for the cause in deference to the Feds: [**Chuck Todd to Former Manhattan DA Cyrus Vance: Why Didn’t You Charge Trump For This In 2018?**](https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/04/02/chuck_todd_to_former_manhattan_da_cyrus_vance_why_didnt_you_charge_trump_for_this_in_2018.html) > [@](#): > > I was asked by the U.S. attorney’s office of the Southern District to stand down on our investigation, which had commenced, involving the Trump Organization. > > And as someone who respects that office a great deal, and believing that they may have perhaps the best laws to investigate, I did so. And I was somewhat surprised after Mr. Cohen pleaded guilty that the federal government did not proceed on the areas in which it had asked me to stand down. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2691 "2024-05-01T01:03:23Z")
The judge rules that trump could have the day off for his son’s graduation. ---
**Author:** ![Gatopescado](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gatopescado/32/5711_2.png) [@Gatopescado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gatopescado)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2692 "2024-05-01T05:33:49Z")
I already feel sorry for the kid and everyone else who’s day he is going to wreck by acting Ass and making it all about him. 😒 Will court still be in session, or is the whole Circus shut down? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2693 "2024-05-01T06:22:32Z")
I would imagine that the whole circus would be shut down. This isn’t a civil matter that he doesn’t have to be there for; it’s a criminal matter, for which he does have to be there. I will say that the judge seems to me to be doing all he can to minimize the complaints from Trump. Trump will still complain, of course, but the judge seems to be trying to give Trump less to complain about. “Wahhh! They won’t let me attend my son’s graduation. Wait, they are? Oh.” And he’ll go back to his usual complaints about Biden and Bragg and election interference and nothing we haven’t heard before. What is starting to bother me, though, are the number of dark days in the court. I can certainly understand shutting things down for a juror’s emergency dental appointment and for Passover, and having dark Wednesdays so the judge can catch up with other responsibilities is fine. And, I suppose, Trump should be there to share in his son’s special day. But it seems that we’ve had a lot of days off in the proceedings. I know that progress is being made, but it would be nice if it could be made a little faster. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2694 "2024-05-01T06:35:38Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > The judge rules that trump could have the day off for his son’s graduation. I read somewhere that while Trump is fussing about attending this graduation he never attended any of his other kids’ high school graduations before this. This will be a first for him. The delay is just that important. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2695 "2024-05-01T07:01:18Z")
No. That’s bullshit and based on a meme that someone made up. He generally attended his kid’s graduations ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 7:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2696 "2024-05-01T07:20:35Z")
Yeah, Trump may be a selfish shitbird of the highest (or lowest) order, but let’s put that bit of misinformation to rest already. > **[Trump Went to His Children's High School and College Graduations](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-kids-graduations/)** > > Despite widespread claims to the contrary, reports place the former president at nearly all his children's graduations. ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2697 "2024-05-01T07:36:06Z")
I attend my kids graduations - granted these are not too serious, they are too young to be actually graduating, it is more of a ceremony to celebrate the occasion of moving from kindegarten to “real school”. I find all graduations to be a bit useless even up to PhD level; but I guess each to their own. I suspect Trump does attend graduations simply for the reflected glory on himself. He is an insatiable attention whore. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2698 "2024-05-01T11:46:26Z")
IMO, graduation ceremonies are about the most boring exercises I’ve ever participated. Tho I’m not sure I would wish a criminal prosecution to be excused from attending… 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2699 "2024-05-01T12:24:30Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > But it seems that we’ve had a lot of days off in the proceedings. It may be that the judge thinks the schedule got freed up considerably by the rapid seating of the jury. There was speculation before the trial began that jury selection could take weeks. They got through it quickly, so the judge may think he has some days in hand. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2700 "2024-05-01T13:41:02Z")
i agree. jury selection went quickly. they are going through the witnesses fairly quickly. david pecker was on the stand the longest. i would think that cohen will be on the stand for quite a bit. we are in week 3 yes? the prosecution believed it would be 4-6 weeks, so it appears to be on track. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=134) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=136)