# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 136
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2701 "2024-05-01T13:56:17Z")
I apologize if this has already been covered but I don’t think an actual witness list has been made public. There’s been lots of speculation and of course not everyone on the list would necessarily be called. We can be fairly sure that Cohen, Daniels and McDougal will be called but who else? The Defense may have witnesses too. There may not be very many more. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2702 "2024-05-01T13:59:44Z")
Who is on the defense witness list other than the guy we know damn well won’t testify? Has the defense indicated how long their side will take? ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2703 "2024-05-01T14:09:13Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > we are in week 3 yes? Week 2 of testimony. Per the article below, the parties have listed 41 potential witnesses (they are annotated) that the judge read to potential jurors (this is done to ensure that a juror doesn’t have a preexisting relationship with a witness). I emphasize _potential_, as they may not be called. But, given the effort to be thorough and meticulous, the DA may indeed bring everybody that they have to the stand. (In reviewing it again, I see that donald, his wife, and his sons are included. That leads me to believe that this also includes possible defense witnesses). > **[41 Star Witnesses and Bit Players in Trump’s NY Criminal Trial](https://www.justsecurity.org/94696/trump-criminal-trial-witnesses/)** > > The list of potential witnesses read during jury selection for Trump's criminal trial in New York could indicate the direction of the case. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2704 "2024-05-01T14:24:36Z")
Thanks for that great article! Calling Melania would be ice cold but I don’t think that she can be compelled to testify against Donald though. The article says that these are potential witnesses _or_ key players whose name may come up in the course of the trial. Not all of them are on either side’s potential witness list. Despite that, it’s a great cite. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2705 "2024-05-01T14:45:56Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > Not all of them are on either side’s potential witness list. Yeah, I missed that part when I skimmed it. It gives me hope that this trial won’t be interminable. I’m guessing we have about another 4 weeks to go before the state rests. I really can’t fathom who the defense will call. _Maybe_ that’s the reason we haven’t seen Donald’s family in the courtroom- witnesses can’t sit in on the rest of the trial. So maybe Ivanka or Jr (not Eric, he did show up) will try to run interference, although I doubt it. My guess is that, when it comes time for the defense, they will want to rest without any witnesses. But donald will overrule them and do himself no favors on the stand. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2706 "2024-05-01T14:54:51Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > . So maybe Ivanka or Jr “He was always so worried about hurting Melania’s feelings, that’s why he did it.” ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2707 "2024-05-01T15:10:51Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > My guess is that, when it comes time for the defense, they will want to rest without any witnesses. But donald will overrule them and do himself no favors on the stand. He’d give SBF a run for his money as worst witness ever. I can’t imagine that he’ll testify. There’s no universe where it would help. He knows that. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2708 "2024-05-01T15:11:27Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > “He was always so worried about hurting Melania’s feelings, that’s why he did it.” Would either of them actually commit perjury just to save Daddy Dearest? Sure, they’d do it save themselves (see business fraud case), but to save Trump the Smellder? ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2709 "2024-05-01T15:20:45Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > Would either of them actually commit perjury just to save Daddy Dearest? Not sure. It’s pretty “safe” perjury, since no one could prove it’s a lie, despite it being obviously a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2710 "2024-05-01T15:23:11Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > since no one could prove it’s a lie, despite it being obviously a lie. There could be a witness who heard them say “Fuck, he doesn’t give a crap about Melania’s feelings!” Hell, Trump might have even texted that himself at some point. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2711 "2024-05-01T15:25:46Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > There could be a witness who heard them say “Fuck, he doesn’t give a crap about Melania’s feelings!” True enough. But this kind of perjury is almost never prosecuted. It should be, but that’s probably a better conversation in a separate thread. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2712 "2024-05-01T16:25:51Z")
They even made her a jacket! ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2713 "2024-05-01T16:27:29Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > (In reviewing it again, I see that donald, his wife, and his sons are included. For a moment I visualized getting Barron on the stand. “Were you aware your father cheated on your mother with a porn star?” Poor kid. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2714 "2024-05-01T19:31:22Z")
> [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > The posts determined to be in violation of the gag order have reportedly been removed, as per the judge’s instructions. So, at least for now, it looks like he’s abiding by the decision. It is to be determined how long that lasts. Apparently only a couple of hours. 😆 > **[Trump slams judge in Truth Social rant hours after being hit by contempt of...](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-slams-contempt-ruling-in-post-to-truth-social-and-claims-free-speech-violation/)** > > In the wake of Judge Juan Merchan slapping him with a contempt of court ruling, Donald Trump took to Truth Social and slammed the ruling — and the ensuing $9,000 fine — as a ploy to take away his First Amendment right to free speech. Merchan ruled... ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2715 "2024-05-01T19:36:45Z")
I thought the gag order did not cover the judge himself. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2716 "2024-05-01T19:39:36Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Apparently only a couple of hours Dude seems upset about something. I couldn’t maintain the constant level of outrage these guys spew. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2717 "2024-05-01T19:39:52Z")
I believe that’s accurate. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2718 "2024-05-01T19:41:24Z")
True. The gag order only covers witnesses, jurors, staff and their families – not Bragg or Merchan. So this rant did not violate the gag order. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2719 "2024-05-01T19:44:55Z")
OK, I’ll accept that analysis as correct, but I read the clause “(2) Members of the Court’s staff or the District Attorney’s staff” to include the judge. If not, then maybe it’s time for the gag order to be tightened once again. ETA: You also gotta love the Orange Peril’s strategy to piss off the judge to the point that the judge must hate his ever-loving guts. Trump thinks like a two-year-old, when he thinks at all. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2720 "2024-05-01T20:00:49Z")
I would hope that the Judge has better things to do than monitor ‘truth social’ and would only be made aware of these posts thru formal filings. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=135) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=137)