# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 139
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2761 "2024-05-02T19:50:40Z")
Michael Cohen had 39,745 contacts on one of his cell phones, Douglas Daus testified. Daus called it "unusual“. Uff da! ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2762 "2024-05-02T19:53:03Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Michael Cohen had 39,745 contacts on one of his cell phones, Douglas Daus testified. I have 17,000 on mine. My phone was synced with the entire office contact list. I wish it wasn’t, but there are times it’s really helpful. I’m not sure how Cohen got so many. Maybe he’ll be asked about that. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2763 "2024-05-02T19:59:58Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > the Crooked D.A Would this be a contravention of the gag order? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2764 "2024-05-02T20:03:17Z")
Sadly, no. DA and judge are not in the gag order. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2765 "2024-05-02T20:05:26Z")
To be fair, it felt more like that was about becoming the butt of jokes after his dare to the media and not being able to be taken seriously. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2766 "2024-05-02T20:06:22Z")
Cross has started. Defence is trying to discredit the extraction practice in cross. Emil Bove asks Douglas Daus about his work in Iraq doing forensics and intel collection, and the differences between that work and what he does for the Manhattan DA. The Trump attorney asks him to confirm the integrity of the data matters more in a criminal case because people’s rights are at stake. Bove is asking Daus whether the ideal is for a device that’s obtained to go immediately “in the vault,” but that sometimes there’s a lag time. **Some context:** Bove is getting into the weeds of data extraction, deleted data and other weedsy info about phone data. Jurors are still following along, turning their heads between Daus and Bove as they go back and forth. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2767 "2024-05-02T20:12:26Z")
The commentators are thinking that the defence today was trying to put cohen and Davidson as extortionist and trump the unwitting victim. Trump always a victim. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2768 "2024-05-02T20:13:03Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Merchan says he “appreciates what you’re bringing to my attention,” but says he’s not going to be in the position of looking in advance at Truth Social posts. > > Merchan says he has already ruled, and the appeals court has “found nothing wrong” with the gag order. > > > “If in doubt, steer clear,” Merchan tells them, adding, “There is no ambiguity, I believe, in the order.” > > When Necheles tries to argue there was ambiguity, Merchan cut her off: "I’m not going to argue with you, Ms. Necheles This guy is a freaking rock star! ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2769 "2024-05-02T20:22:15Z")
Sleepy Don’s spokesman is attacking the jury now. > **[Trump press secretary tests gag order with fresh attack on jury](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-gag-order-2668134679/)** > > The national spokesperson for Donald Trump's 2024 campaign may have violated a judge's gag order by suggesting the jury in the former president's hush money trial was not "fair and impartial."Karoline Leavitt made the remarks while speaking to Real... ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2770 "2024-05-02T20:27:22Z")
Court is wrapping up for the day and the jury is being dismissed. Judge Juan Merchan says that a juror has an appointment tomorrow afternoon so they will break at 3:45 p.m. ET Trump attorney Emil Bove will resume his cross-examination of Douglas Daus tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![JaneDoe42](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/janedoe42/32/14104_2.png) [@JaneDoe42](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JaneDoe42)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2771 "2024-05-02T21:01:04Z")
Thanks so much for the commentary, it is much appreciated. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2772 "2024-05-02T21:13:15Z")
I liked the exchange between Keith Davidson and David Howard on election night when it appeared Trump was going to win. KD “What have we done?” DH “Oh my god” ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2773 "2024-05-02T21:36:35Z")
Oh, shit. Someone will post a link to an article, I’m sure, but Trump just purposely mischaracterized the gag order as “not allowing me to _testify_” (paraphrased). Even worse, he confirms this with his lawyer who NODS: > ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2774 "2024-05-02T21:47:36Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Oh, shit. Someone will post a link to an article, I’m sure, but Trump just purposely mischaracterized the gag order as “not allowing me to _testify_” (paraphrased). Though I don’t think the gag order bans him from lying (hell he’d be in prison 10 seconds later if it had) or even AFAIK lying about the case or the gag order itself. It prohibits him from talking about the witnesses or officers of the court and their families ---
**Author:** ![anny\_m](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@anny\_m](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anny_m)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2775 "2024-05-02T21:49:40Z")
OK, this question is likely the height of ignorance as I’m quite sure it’s something everyone knows: Stormy Daniels had sex with Trump. (Well, he says not, but c’mon no one believes him.) But why did Daniels have sex with him? Did he pay her? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2776 "2024-05-02T21:55:17Z")
To get on The Apprentice. At least that’s my understanding, but now that I’m looking, I’m not seeing her saying it directly. [https://www.reuters.com/world/us/who-is-stormy-daniels-what-did-she-say-happened-with-trump-2023-03-30/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/who-is-stormy-daniels-what-did-she-say-happened-with-trump-2023-03-30/) > She said Trump asked her about herself and whether she would like to appear on his TV show “Celebrity Apprentice.” > “He was like, ‘Wow, you - you are special. You remind me of my daughter.’ You know, he was like, ‘You’re smart and beautiful, and a woman to be reckoned with, and I like you. I like you,’” Daniels said. > > She said she excused herself at one point to use the bathroom and when she returned Trump was “perched” on the edge of the bed. > > “I realized exactly what I’d gotten myself into. And I was like, 'Ugh, here we go,” Daniels told “60 Minutes.” “And I just felt like maybe … I had it coming for making a bad decision for going to someone’s room alone.” > > She said the two had consensual sex. > Daniels said Trump made telephone calls to her over the following year and she met him again at his request in July 2007 at the Beverly Hills Hotel in Los Angeles to discuss her possible appearance on “Celebrity Apprentice.” Daniels said he wanted to have sex again at the hotel but she declined. She said Trump called her a month later to tell her he had not been able to get her booked on “Celebrity Apprentice.” I won’t be surprised if we find out he had sex with Jenna Jameson and she’s under a similar NDA. ---
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> [@griffin1977](#): > > It prohibits him from talking about the witnesses or officers of the court and their families Yes. It’s important to remember that the purpose of the gag order is to protect the judicial process. It’s not punitive in any sense. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2778 "2024-05-02T21:59:05Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > I liked the exchange between Keith Davidson and David Howard on election night when it appeared Trump was going to win. > > KD “What have we done?” > DH “Oh my god” They certainly thought the whole thing was about the election. ---
**Author:** ![Kelby2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ebca7d/32.png) [@Kelby2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelby2)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2779 "2024-05-02T22:12:03Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > Oh, shit. Someone will post a link to an article, I’m sure, but Trump just purposely mischaracterized the gag order as “not allowing me to _testify_” (paraphrased). > > Even worse, he confirms this with his lawyer who NODS: > > [https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1786132874380333155?t=Hg5rBHXPEuwZnRaY8Hz\_EQ&s=19](https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1786132874380333155?t=Hg5rBHXPEuwZnRaY8Hz_EQ&s=19) Is this real life? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2024, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/2780 "2024-05-02T22:19:01Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > **April 23 – during an interview with ABC PA affiliate “Action News” Trump said:** “Well, Michael Cohen is a convicted liar and he’s got no credibility whatsoever Well, once trump is convicted, this should come back to bite him in the ass. > [@rocking\_chair](#): > > The defence is going for “sleazy lawyer “ extracting all sorts of things from everyone. Well, if you hire a “sleazy lawyer “ that does mean what he does is your fault. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=138) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=140)