# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 180
**Author:** ![robby](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robby/32/11048_2.png) [@robby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robby)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3581 "2024-05-12T04:26:02Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > …I have no doubt that just about everything Trump has ever done has been totally without regard for ethics or law. You are too kind. I have no doubt that _ **everything** _ Trump has ever done has been totally without regard for ethics or law. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3582 "2024-05-12T11:13:44Z")
Or logic. Like staring into an eclipse. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3583 "2024-05-12T14:50:53Z")
Or having sex with a porn star, who’s had probably hundreds of partners (I think Stormy Daniels said she’s been in at least 150 movies and who knows how many personal partners), without a condom. Supposedly Trump asked about it, but STI tests can have false negatives. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3584 "2024-05-12T16:14:12Z")
Tertiary syphilis _would_ explain a **lot**. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3585 "2024-05-12T16:31:54Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > without a condom. One of the countless things he’s said that should have been enough to rule out a POTUS run, was words to the effect that while he got out of serving in the Vietnam war he considers all the STIs he was exposed to in that era “his Vietnam war” ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3586 "2024-05-12T16:39:34Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I think Stormy Daniels said she’s been in at least 150 movies and who knows how many personal partners), without a condom Actually, I believe that she testified that she worked for a company that required its actors to use condoms in their films. Really, she was the one taking a risk fucking donald without protection. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3587 "2024-05-12T16:41:31Z")
And why is having sex with a porn star supposed to be some prestigious thing, anyway? He managed to convince a woman to sleep with him, who’s slept with hundreds of other men before? ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3588 "2024-05-12T16:44:37Z")
Ooh. Slut shaming. Stay classy dude. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3589 "2024-05-12T16:48:47Z")
Moderating: We’re getting really far afield of what’s actually happening in this case and discussing many tangential things. Time to stop now. @hajario, dial it back. You’re engaging in a personal attack. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3590 "2024-05-12T16:51:44Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Really, she was the one taking a risk fucking donald without protection Totally. Especially as the chances of him doing something as selfless as take a god-damned STI test after he exposed himself to risk of STIs while married is zero. I don’t really buy the “trumps showing signs of tertiary syphilis” story. But Trump refusing to get tested or treated despite having the best medical care on the planet is 100% believable ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3591 "2024-05-12T17:12:37Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Actually, I believe that she testified that she worked for a company that required its actors to use condoms in their films. Now I’m going to be forced to go on PornHub to “do my own research”. As this relates to the trial, it doesn’t seem like Trump ever considers the consequences of his actions in the moment, such as protecting his campaign by disguising hush money payments as legal fees. As his niece says, Trump’s never really had to face any until recently. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3592 "2024-05-12T17:14:58Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I have no doubt that just about everything Trump has ever done has been totally without regard for ethics or law. I agree. “When you’re rich, they let you do it” can apply to more than grabbing women. Trump’s approach to life is, “I’m rich; I can do whatever I want,” whether it is ethical or not. And if that’s worked for him so far, why stop now? As for the law, Trump is no lawyer, and beyond knowing the essentials (e.g. don’t murder, don’t steal, don’t run red lights, etc.), has no more knowledge of the law than Joe and Jane Average. That’s why there are lawyers; to explain the law to clients, and to help them make their way through a very complicated field. But unlike most people who engage a lawyer, Trump doesn’t want legal advice that is the most sensible approach and correct for the situation, no matter how much it casts him in a bad light; he wants legal advice that conforms to his view of the way things should be and not necessarily the way they are. Because after all, “When you’re rich, they let you do it.” ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3593 "2024-05-12T17:32:03Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > I agree. “When you’re rich, they let you do it” can apply to more than grabbing women. Trump’s approach to life is, “I’m rich; I can do whatever I want,” whether it is ethical or not. And if that’s worked for him so far, why stop now? > > As for the law, Trump is no lawyer, and beyond knowing the essentials (e.g. don’t murder, don’t steal, don’t run red lights, etc.), has no more knowledge of the law than Joe and Jane Average I largely agree too. But a key point is he does have a lot experience of civil cases, he’s been involved in far more of them than your average Joe. And as he’s insisting his lawyers use the same strategy that’s worked for him over the years, even though its doomed to fail in a criminal case. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3594 "2024-05-12T18:33:23Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > > This is Trump’s go-to strategy. > > Trump’s go-to strategy is to not pay anyone at all if he can help it. So I wonder how compelling the promise of a payday is to anyone familiar with him. I’m constantly reminded of that old Simpsons episode where Homer had come up with some computer application, and at the end Bill Gates shows up at his door (with a couple of goons) to “buy him out”. Gates says “OK boys, buy him out!” and the goons start trashing the place. Homer says “I thought you were going to pay me!” and Gates replies “You don’t think I became a billionaire by writing checks, do you?” ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 7:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3595 "2024-05-12T19:56:05Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > OK, so let’s say that the cops nab Bob, and they bring Pete in for questioning as a person of interest. Scenario 1: > … > Pete: Whew, I’m glad you granted me immunity. You can see now why I thought that my answer would incriminate me. > Federal prosecutor: Oops, turns out one of those bodies was kidnapped across state lines. We’ve been trying to solve that one for a while, good thing we never gave you immunity. IANAL Any kind of deal, plea bargain, immunity, business, or anything else requires trust and good faith between parties. If one party acts in bad faith, then he won’t be trusted the next time he tries to negotiate a deal. If state prosecutors promise immunity, and then the Feds prosecute anyway, it would jeopardize all future immunity negotiations. Defense lawyers would be reluctant to negotiate deals, if there is a history of deals being ignored. It would also cause mistrust between state and federal agencies. I would therefore expect the Feds to respect the deal. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3596 "2024-05-12T20:27:29Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > > [@Spoons](#): > > > > I agree. “When you’re rich, they let you do it” can apply to more than grabbing women. Trump’s approach to life is, “I’m rich; I can do whatever I want,” whether it is ethical or not. And if that’s worked for him so far, why stop now? > > > > As for the law, Trump is no lawyer, and beyond knowing the essentials (e.g. don’t murder, don’t steal, don’t run red lights, etc.), has no more knowledge of the law than Joe and Jane Average > > I largely agree too. But a key point is he does have a lot experience of civil cases, he’s been involved in far more of them than your average Joe. And as he’s insisting his lawyers use the same strategy that’s worked for him over the years, even though its doomed to fail in a criminal case. But even there, he mostly loses – like the huge losses in the E Jean Carroll case, the Trump Org fraud case, almost every single election “fraud” case, many lawsuits that he’s attempted, etc. His main strategy for “winning” is just to harass his opponents until they give up. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2024, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3597 "2024-05-12T20:46:31Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > His main strategy for “winning” is just to harass his opponents until they give up. And yeah that’s what he’s trying to in his criminal cases (hence his fury at the gag order). He fails to realize that’s not how criminal law works. The recent civil losses are fairly atypical for him (although even there he’s still not actually had to pay our yet), generally his combined strategy of denying everything, delaying and harassing his opponent has stood up pretty well over the years (because he’s rich you can get away with it if you’re rich). He seriously doesn’t comprehend how things have changed now he’s a criminal defendant ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3598 "2024-05-13T00:59:43Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Now I’m going to be forced to go on PornHub to “do my own research”. What research? I’d think you could just look up the transcripts to find out who she worked for and Google the company’s safety practices. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3599 "2024-05-13T01:09:32Z")
That’s a challenging wank. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2024, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/3600 "2024-05-13T01:38:10Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I’d think you could just look up the transcripts to find out who she worked for and Google the company’s safety practices. She worked for (with? I don’t know how the business works, but she testified that she was a producer) Wicked Pictures. > **[Condoms in Porn? Just Another Day at Wicked Pictures](https://www.cnbc.com/amp/id/100359796)** > > Since the late 1990s, Wicked Pictures has been using condoms in all of its films, yet it is still one of the biggest filmmakers in the porn industry. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=179) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=181)