# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/21 "2023-03-17T23:04:57Z")
It’s being reported that Trump’s lawyer, Joe Tacopina, has represented Trump will surrender to the Court in Manhattan voluntarily, should he be indicted. That’s something, anyway. > **[Trump will surrender to face charges if indicted, defense lawyer says](https://www.cnbc.com/2023/03/17/trump-will-surrender-to-face-charges-if-indicted-defense-lawyer-says.html)** > > Donald Trump is under criminal investigation for 2016 hush money payment his former attorney Michael Cohen made to porn star Stormy Daniels. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/22 "2023-03-17T23:07:28Z")
Does that mean we get a perp walk, or no perp walk? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/23 "2023-03-17T23:08:57Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > It’s being reported that Trump’s lawyer, Joe Tacopina, has represented Trump will surrender to the Court in Manhattan voluntarily, should he be indicted. Yeah, he’s also going to release his taxes. Never believe any promise Trump, or anyone speaking on his behalf, until something actually happens. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/24 "2023-03-17T23:12:29Z")
My best guess is it will be an abbreviated perp walk. Remember when Steve Bannon surrendered to the court for his arraignment on his contempt charge, and after the proceeding, he was escorted to be fingerprinted and have his pictures taken? As I recall, he was cuffed and carrying his jacket over the cuffs in front of him so they didn’t show. Trump will probably be afforded the courtesy of no cuffs, but he’ll have to endure the walk down the corridor, the fingerprinting and the mug shots. > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > Never believe any promise Trump, or anyone speaking on his behalf, until something actually happens. Oh, I never do. But I also know it will go so much worse for him if he makes the arraignment proceeding a circus by forcing an extradition from Florida. In this instance, I suspect he’s listening to his attorney. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2023, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/25 "2023-03-17T23:17:28Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Does that mean we get a perp walk, or no perp walk? The day that there is a Trump perp walk will never be. It should be, but it won’t. (I retain the right to be wrong, because at heart, I’m an idealist.) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/26 "2023-03-18T00:14:36Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > It should be, but it won’t. I’d like to see it, too. But realistically: Though I believe the processes will be preserved, as any citizen who enjoys a presumption of innocence and as a former president whose office – if not his person – is entitled to a certain deference, he will be afforded courtesies not shown to most of us. None of these prosecutors, either state or federal, are going to needlessly provoke Trump’s base by subjecting him to the indignities of a flashy perp walk with handcuffs. After he’s convicted of a felony, it might be a different story. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/27 "2023-03-18T00:24:17Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > …he will be afforded courtesies not shown to most of us. He will never be face down in the street with a cop’s knee on the back of his neck, certainly. But his alleged crimes, I guess, don’t rise to the level of trying to pass a counterfeit twenty at a convenience store. God bless America. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/28 "2023-03-18T00:25:14Z")
I’m shocked by this, prevIosly mentioned, if true: > [@](#): > > An attorney for Donald Trump says the former president would not refuse to surrender to authorities if he is indicted in the Manhattan district attorney’s probe into a hush-money deal from his 2016 presidential run. Why not fight extradition, putting DeSantis in a tough position? This, from my last link, I find plausible: > [@](#): > > Tacopina said Trump, whom he described as a survivor, would find a way to use any charges filed against him to help him politically in the end. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/29 "2023-03-18T00:26:52Z")
No. But that’s a massive failing of this country with respect to systemic racism and has been for all our history. As awful as it is, I don’t think it’s useful to make apples-to-apples comparisons. No former president would be treated otherwise. Including Obama. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/30 "2023-03-18T00:32:30Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > No. But that’s a massive failing of this country with respect to systemic racism and has been for all our history. Treating more people badly is not any kind of solution for injustice. Trump should be treated with a thorough presumption of Innocence. Arrest process should be a model of fairness. Then I will complain when others are treated worse. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/31 "2023-03-18T00:33:07Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Trump should be treated with a thorough presumption of Innocence. I think I made that point. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/32 "2023-03-18T00:33:58Z")
Yes. I agree with your last post. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/33 "2023-03-18T00:37:24Z")
Has he lawyered for Trump before? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/34 "2023-03-18T01:07:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Has he lawyered for Trump before? - I take your point. But one thing I think a lot of people miss about Trump is, when he’s absolutely cornered, he capitulates and just does what is necessary. Remember his Trump University settlement, e.g. He was going to fight that down to the last crumb… until it was obvious he was going to have to go to trial and endure the very public reveal of his shitty business practices. > **[Donald Trump settles fraud lawsuits relating to Trump University for $25m](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/18/donald-trump-university-settles-president-lawsuit-25-million)** > > President-elect’s lawyers settled three lawsuits, averting a courtroom showdown which threatened to reveal troubling details about the real estate course Trump has never been subjected to the criminal justice system until now. I think he’s shit scared of it. New York is not well known for custodial kindnesses. Given a choice between putting law enforcement through hell to haul your sorry carcass into custody and inspiring their wrath while all the world watches the spectacle (Loser!), v. surrendering meekly and hoping for a good bail situation, I’m pretty sure I know which one Trump will choose. My fervent hope is that the judge slaps the parties with a gag order. ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/35 "2023-03-18T01:33:36Z")
What if he just stays in FL and says fuck off, come get me? What’s to be done then? I really wish one of the felonies were charged first. This misdemeanor charge will have even centrists thinking it’s a witch hunt. I’d rather this be tacked on later. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/36 "2023-03-18T01:42:43Z")
While we won’t know for certain until the indictment is unsealed, everything I’m hearing is that this going to be charged as a felony. If he stays in Florida, New York will ask Florida law enforcement to execute a warrant and have him arrested. I’m not seeing Ron DeSantis fighting extradition on his behalf. Extradition would delay arraignment in New York for a short while, but not that long. And Trump would be in custody the entire time that extradition was being litigated. Once brought to New York, he’d might be kept in custody as a potential flight risk, since he didn’t voluntarily appear for his arraignment. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/37 "2023-03-18T01:50:44Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I’m not seeing Ron DeSantis fighting extradition on his behalf. The GOP is still Trumpy, so In order to get the nomination, he needs to be Trumpy. That’s why he’s now come out for a 6 week abortion ban — even though the existing Florida 15 week limit would play much better in Nov. 2024. And that’s why he’s throwing the Ukrainians under a whole lot of buses. If he gives in to Alvin Bragg, he’ll be branded a RINO. Can’t have that. Am I sure? No, I admit this post is a somewhat informed guess. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/38 "2023-03-18T01:52:43Z")
It would put Trump in a subordinate position to DeSantis. He’ll never allow that. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/39 "2023-03-18T01:58:08Z")
Being subordinate to DeSantis sounds better to me than jail. Then, I’m not DJT, and his lawyers might tell him that playing nice will lead to a suspended sentence. Again, I’m not DJT, but if I was, I wouldn’t trust my lawyers. Don’t they make more money if the game starts being played in NY? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2023, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/40 "2023-03-18T02:02:02Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Being subordinate to DeSantis sounds better to me than jail. Then, I’m not DJT, and his lawyers might tell him that playing nice will lead to a suspended sentence. And you’re disregarding points earlier made in this discussion: > [@Aspenglow](#): > > And _Trump would be in custody the entire time that extradition was being litigated._ (Emphasis mine.) > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Again, I’m not DJT, but if I was, I wouldn’t trust my lawyers. Don’t they make more money if the game starts being played in NY? I don’t even understand what you’re trying to say here. Not how the law works. And all this is academic (and not even that, IMHO), since _Trump’s lawyer has already affirmatively said Trump is not going to fight extradition and will surrender to the Manhattan court if an indictment falls_. That really should be the end of it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=3)