# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/481 "2023-03-29T19:27:25Z")
The month delay is disappointing, but on the bright side, more serious charges might come first, leaving this as the icing on the cake. Over on the dark side, much as I’d like to believe that TFG is worried about all these pending charges, I suspect that his own ignorance and the sycophants that surround him all conspire to making him believe that he’s invulnerable. So seeing justice actually make its move would be so, so welcome. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2023, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/482 "2023-03-29T19:53:15Z")
they may also want to time it for when he is in or near nyc. that way there won’t be much delay between indictment and court appearance. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 2:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/483 "2023-03-30T02:49:26Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > Otherwise why all the rumblings of an indictment, all the police barriers erected, and then…bupkis? Maybe, grand jury secrecy is actually real. The leaks may have come from people, on the outskirts of law enforcement, who don’t know as much as they anonymously claim. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 2:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/484 "2023-03-30T14:47:12Z")
Rumors have a way of amplifying in the media / social media sphere. Doubly so when the lefties and righties take opposite reactions to something and the rumor ping-pongs back and forth between the opposing echospheres. The NYPD reacted to a massive squeal of feedback coming from the amplifier of our collective TFG-hate-love-angst. Aided of course by TFG himself shouting into the microphone while standing in front of one of the speakers. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/485 "2023-03-30T20:58:49Z")
[https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/30/politics/karen-mcdougal-trump-grand-jury/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/30/politics/karen-mcdougal-trump-grand-jury/index.html) > … playboy (sic) model before the 2016 presidential election, two people familiar with the matter said. > > Prosecutors have asked at least one witness questions about a $150,000 payment the publisher of the National Enquirer made to the model, Karen McDougal, to buy her story about the alleged affair with Trump, the people said. > The witness also was asked about other stories bought by American Media Inc. – which publishes the Enquirer – and later killed. > It isn’t clear whether prosecutors are considering the payment as part of its investigation or using it as a pattern to establish a pattern of entering into such deals. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/486 "2023-03-30T21:36:47Z")
Wow. Reports that Trump has been indicted in the NY hush money case. Wow. No online confirmation yet (all the stories are ‘2 days ago’ and such) but both CNN and MSNBC are reporting this. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/487 "2023-03-30T21:38:31Z")
Online now: > **[NY grand jury votes to indict Donald Trump, sources tell CNN | CNN Politics](https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/30/politics/donald-trump-indictment/index.html)** > > A grand jury in Manhattan has voted to indict Donald Trump -- the first time in American history that a current or former president has faced criminal charges, according to three sources familiar with the matter. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/488 "2023-03-30T21:40:07Z")
Yes, the online stuff is slowly being updated. Twitter may have had it first: > New York Times is online with the news, too, but it’s firewalled, of course. It’s sad and funny that all the not-yet-updated stories from the major news outlets all say some variation on ‘Trump not expected to be indicted this week’ and ‘Grand jury adjourns without voting’ and the like. Could be it was deliberate–the announcement of the ‘month off’, for example–to keep Trump’s fans from forming caravans to come to NYC. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/489 "2023-03-30T21:41:01Z")
Oh my, oh happy day. Hopefully the first of several. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/490 "2023-03-30T21:43:40Z")
So does that mean he gets arrested (or turns himself in) tomorrow? ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/491 "2023-03-30T21:47:21Z")
> ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/492 "2023-03-30T21:50:56Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > So does that mean he gets arrested (or turns himself in) tomorrow? - From discussions and opinions dating back several weeks, he might be able to elect to do a video arraignment from Mar-a-Lago. But of course he’s already signaled that he wants the publicity of a public arrest (and “martyrdom”). Tomorrow is not necessarily the deadline, it looks like: > [@](#): > > If Mr Bragg decides to move ahead with charges, he will first inform Mr Trump and his lawyers, setting off negotiations over how and when the former president will appear in New York City for his formal arrest and first hearing in court. … > **[Fingerprints, but no mugshot? What we know about Trump's arrest](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65012096)** > > The former president faces charges in a Lower Manhattan court today. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/493 "2023-03-30T21:55:12Z")
I’m so glad that Bragg did NOT give Trump an extra month in which to develop his ‘that Wonderful grand jury fully exonerated me!’ theme. Obviously to anyone but a Trump fan that is nonsense. But to the Trump-fan-mind, an extra month of having that message hammered into their skulls could have led to actual belief–and worse, to acting on that belief. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/494 "2023-03-30T21:57:11Z")
What? This knocked me for a loop. I wasn’t expecting to hear anything until after the hiatus. Well played, sir! I’m sure it came as a big surprise to almost everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/495 "2023-03-30T21:59:23Z")
Isn’t it at the DA’s discretion to follow the Grand Juries recommendation? Even so, thats a nice trump card to have in your hand. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/496 "2023-03-30T22:01:02Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > Even so, thats a nice trump card to have in your hand. I saw what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/497 "2023-03-30T22:04:20Z")
My 86 year old mom just texted me: “The first time in a while I am drinking a little wine. I am celebrating the Indictment of Trump.” ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/498 "2023-03-30T22:04:37Z")
Here ya go: (Gift link) > **[Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York: Live Updates](https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news?unlocked_article_code=YqrK8Z7K7gbZy6FdrvVI3dBEm-mUkdvqOPyhRmpnBy5EX4ZXD1361AoCkzvIhoKgEJunbwhZ6MpO4YV0fTRQVrUK1ZnUIJuS1Fsoaw9D0S21IcXZFT6ZrWM6TBO3R_wWTN4uM2xQJZLuPkWwTC9CneSiCKikIG5g_NUptjtYC8svQyIODBf3rCpI5M3Uc8uHIvRu3460HBDU20_CBZ-GSClQC7M0hCR_66a4s_bo6OIUokS2mDZIT0jxrTPc9JsT2jM8fKLQn0iaRMxk2NPD46IymvKznp_tC1ZfMSW5X6uUFtwTOXyN_1eSTyCs4azqicCYc84YenLZoL2XqfYB3bUhG2D1Xu2uDQ&smid=url-share)** > > Mr. Trump will be the first former president to face criminal charges. The precise charges are not yet known, but the case is focused on a hush-money payment to a porn star during his 2016 campaign. Scroll down-- there are continuous updates. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/499 "2023-03-30T22:05:49Z")
Does this mean he will be arrested? Like…in cuffs and so forth? It’s the little moments that matter to me… ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2023, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/500 "2023-03-30T22:10:13Z")
They’ll treat him like a special snowflake. As long as they fingerprint him and mug shoot him, and have him suffer the indignity of facing a judge, I’ll be content. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=26)