# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 250
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4981 "2024-05-29T19:52:04Z")
There really should be a good Latin derived word for trying to divine what a jury is thinking by their actions in the courtroom and notes sent from deliberation. Iuraremancy, maybe? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4982 "2024-05-29T19:52:56Z")
> [@hajario](#): > > The lawyering is over. No reason they can’t chit chat. Of course, but I’m pretty sure they’re not talking about what they had for lunch. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4983 "2024-05-29T19:53:10Z")
per msnbc: the two teams of lawyers are going through a paper transcript in 6!" binders. i would figure they are doing what the msnbc commentators are doing. finding and reading the various pages of testimony. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4984 "2024-05-29T19:53:13Z")
> [@asterion](#): > > Iuraremancy, maybe? Jurometry. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4985 "2024-05-29T19:54:20Z")
no j in latin. go with an i? another bell has rung. they may be ready for readout. oop, not a readout! another note! things are moving fast. i’m betting that the judge may call for time and have things set for first am. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4986 "2024-05-29T19:57:25Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > no j in latin. go with an i? I did. Which is why I hate sans serif fonts. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4987 "2024-05-29T19:58:17Z")
ah, i thought it was an L. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4988 "2024-05-29T19:58:19Z")
Just in, per CNN: The jury wants to rehear the judge’s instructions from this morning. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4989 "2024-05-29T19:58:34Z")
Wow. Hard copies … y’know … have some upside. See also: Jury Instructions JukeboxTM ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4990 "2024-05-29T19:59:53Z")
I get the impression this is a relatively smart jury. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4991 "2024-05-29T20:00:18Z")
per cnn: Shortly after the jury sounded the buzzer for a second time, a court officer handed another sheet to each side. “We did just receive another note,” Judge Juan Merchan says. “We the jury request to rehear the judge’s instructions,” the note reads. rc: this is starting to look like a first am thing now. i’m 99.9% sure there will be no verdict tonight. ---
**Author:** ![JackieLikesVariety](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackielikesvariety/32/296_2.png) [@JackieLikesVariety](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JackieLikesVariety)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4992 "2024-05-29T20:01:55Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Just in, per CNN: The jury wants to rehear the judge’s instructions from this morning. deep down, I have trouble believing rump will end up having any repercussions at all from this, let alone actual jail time. So I hope the jury takes as long as possible because at least we know his orangeness is inconvenienced. Kept from his nap/stimulants, at least! ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4993 "2024-05-29T20:02:19Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Hard copies … y’know … have some upside. From an earlier post, it’s a quirk of NY law that apparently both prosecution and defense must approve giving hard copies to the jury, and the defense rarely does so. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4994 "2024-05-29T20:03:40Z")
cnn: Defense attorney Todd Blanche whispered and smiled at Donald Trump after they got the note. Judge Juan Merchan is going to bring the jurors into the courtroom to inquire if they want all of the jury instructions heard or a portion of it. Neither side objected. Judge Juan Merchan says “if and when” a time comes for a verdict, he will bring the alternate jurors in and have them sit in the front row. The readback is estimated to take about 30 minutes, according to the court reporter. Prosecutor Joshua Steinglass says the readback consists of about 30 pages. Judge Juan Merchan asked if they can disable the WiFi capability on the laptop that the jury has. Prosecutor Susan Hoffinger said they’d look tonight and make sure it’s off. The jury is entering the courtroom. Judge Juan Merchan is reading the notes into the record in their presence. Attorney Todd Blanche was leaning over and whispering to Donald Trump and attorney Emil Bove while they waited. ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4995 "2024-05-29T20:05:04Z")
I’d agree tomorrow afternoon is more likely. Considering the questions, I’d be worried if I was the defense. If they agree Cohen is credible enough where his testimony agrees with Pecker’s and don’t go falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus regarding Cohen, they could be a lot closer than we all expect. I mean, if they think they could get out of here this night, I’d expect them to tell the judge so. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4996 "2024-05-29T20:05:07Z")
How long can a jury deliberate before the judge starts poking them to get done with it? /one-way-to-keep-Trump-from-campaigning ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4997 "2024-05-29T20:06:14Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > rc: this is starting to look like a first am thing now. i’m 99.9% sure there will be no verdict tonight. That seems likely, but I’m kind of hoping that the jury elects to continue deliberating. Based on my experience (which, remember, was not in New York), it can if it wishes. It’s not as if the clock hits 4:30, a bell sounds, and everybody goes home for the day. I’m sure that if the jury wanted, a conference room could be arranged at a nearby hotel, if the courthouse absolutely must be closed at 4:30. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4998 "2024-05-29T20:07:23Z")
msnbc: the bell sounds like a 1960’s telephone. jury dismissed after asking to rehear instructions. court to resume thursday at 9:30. judge merchan askes the attorneys to stay until they agree on passages requested. merchan says trump can leave the courtroom not the courthouse. as long as he’s close by. in case there’s an issue that needs to be resolved, he can quickly come back. rc: the jury instructions are around 50 pages. it is quite the packet. all the commentators are waving their packets when discussing it. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/4999 "2024-05-29T20:08:02Z")
> [@steronz](#): > > Robes, of course. Robe rack. Robe iron. Robe mirror. Kind of like the Bat Cave only for judges. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5000 "2024-05-29T20:08:43Z")
Welp, looks like I was wrong. The jury has been dismissed for the day. They will reconvene tomorrow morning. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=249) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=251)