# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 252
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5021 "2024-05-29T21:10:08Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Per CNN: Susan Necheles is speaking with Alina Habba, who is leaning over the rail. VERY minor point: I wonder what Habba is doing there? As a general matter, lawyers do little they aren’t getting paid for. And if they are somewhere (work-related) they are generally getting paid to be there. Is Habba just such a friend and huge supporter of Trump that she is willing to spend potential billing hours sitting in a courtroom? Did Trump pay her so handsomely that she need not work? Does she not have any other paying clients? Is she hoping her demonstrated fealty will result in an appointment in the Trump administration? Like I said - a very minor matter. But I found it curious. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5022 "2024-05-29T21:13:20Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > VERY minor point: I wonder what Habba is doing there? As a general matter, lawyers do little they aren’t getting paid for. And if they are somewhere (work-related) they are generally getting paid to be there. In addition to her legal duties, such as they were, Habba is a spokesperson and general cheerleader for Trump. That’s her job and she’s made some pretty good money doing it. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5023 "2024-05-29T21:17:34Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > Habba is a spokesperson and general cheerleader for Trump. So, do you figure she is drawing a salary? On an hourly basis? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5024 "2024-05-29T21:31:18Z")
The Daily Rant! Happening now. The usual (witch hunt, corrupt judge, etc.), but this time, reality seems to have set in. The prosecution didn’t call certain witnesses, because they would have given Trump a win. Sounds like he’s preparing for a guilty verdict. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5025 "2024-05-29T21:32:41Z")
(Trump’s rant, not Spoons’) > [@Spoons](#): > > The prosecution didn’t call certain witnesses, because they would have given Trump a win. Isn’t this what the defense team is for?? ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5026 "2024-05-29T21:39:47Z")
It is, and if the defense wanted witnesses who could give Trump the win, nothing was stopping them from calling them. As we all know, it’s not the prosecution’s job to call witnesses that are favorable to the defendant. And Trump’s lawyers had all kinds of opportunity to cross-examine those that were called. If Trump thought that some witnesses who would be favorable to his case should have been called, then he should have told his lawyers, who would have called them. I’m sure he did, and I’m equally sure that his lawyers had good reasons for not calling them. ---
**Author:** ![Kelby2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ebca7d/32.png) [@Kelby2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kelby2)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5027 "2024-05-29T21:43:24Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > > [@Odesio](#): > > > > Habba is a spokesperson and general cheerleader for Trump. > > So, do you figure she is drawing a salary? On an hourly basis? Maybe from Fox…she appeared on their network after the jury began its deliberations…received some pushback for her Trumpworld propaganda, though. [Shannon Bream and Alina Habba Clash on Trump Trial (mediaite.com)](https://www.mediaite.com/crime/trump-lawyer-gets-indignant-when-fox-news-host-corrects-her-on-trump-trial-how-can-you-say-the-biden-administration-is-not-responsible-for-this/) ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 9:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5028 "2024-05-29T21:45:53Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Same with the transcript. Why can’t they have that? Load it up on the laptop and make sure they know how to search/find things in it. Probably it ties back to dependence on printers. If you print one copy then only one person will have access to it at any time and it will make it hard for the other jurors to review. If you have to print 12 copies, when talking about potentially thousands of pages of testimony and evidence, you’ve doomed some court clerk to sit in the printing room for the next 3 days, loading paper and changing ink cartridges. These days, sure, they could give them each a laptop. But that requires entering the 21st century and this isn’t the sort of sexy legislation that brings voters to the polls. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5029 "2024-05-29T21:48:44Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > If you print one copy then only one person will have access to it at any time and it will make it hard for the other jurors to review. If you have to print 12 copies, when talking about potentially thousands of pages of testimony and evidence, you’ve doomed some court clerk to sit in the printing room for the next 3 days, loading paper and changing ink cartridges. This is silly. We routinely sent in one copy with jurors. They rarely asked for multiple copies. If they did, the judge had his secretary handle the work. It didn’t take “3 days.” It took about an hour. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5030 "2024-05-29T21:54:59Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > We routinely sent in one copy with jurors. They rarely asked for multiple copies Many courts give 12 copies of the Instructions in every case. No reason not to ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5031 "2024-05-29T21:56:31Z")
We were cheap. 😉 Also Californians. Mindful of wasted trees, ya know. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5032 "2024-05-29T22:11:19Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > So if the jury is done for the night, Trump and everyone gets to leave. Right? So everyone on the jury just goes home tonight and they don’t reconvene until 9:30 Thursday morning? If they _hadn’t_ asked for the transcripts of testimony and repeat of the judge’s instructions, would they have been able to keep deliberating all day tomorrow? I guess they can use the break, and it makes sense to get some stuff repeated, but OTOH it seems like a waste of a day they could have put to good use. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5033 "2024-05-29T22:12:07Z")
> [@Dinsdale](#): > > hoping her demonstrated fealty will result in an appointment in the Trump administration? This one, I’m pretty sure. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5034 "2024-05-29T22:13:24Z")
Never mind - said by others, and better. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5035 "2024-05-29T22:17:35Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > So everyone on the jury just goes home tonight and they don’t reconvene until 9:30 Thursday morning? If they _hadn’t_ asked for the transcripts of testimony and repeat of the judge’s instructions, would they have been able to keep deliberating all day tomorrow? Today is Wednesday, so there isn’t a break. They are back at it tomorrow. (Did Memorial Day throw you off?) ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5036 "2024-05-29T22:22:01Z")
\<_Oh dear, Thelma’s face is red…_\> Yeah, I guess it did. When you’re retired, sometimes it’s hard to remember what day of the week it is. Plus, you know, being _old_ an’ all. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5037 "2024-05-29T22:38:55Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I guess Trump would go to Trump tower. Unless, you know, he has a thing he wants to take care of at that place up in Queens that is next to Rikers Island. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5038 "2024-05-29T22:42:30Z")
What are robing rooms like in ca? The guesstimate is that answering the jury questions and the instruction thing could go two hours, from msnbc. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5039 "2024-05-29T22:44:39Z")
In our county, they didn’t have one. Each judge had their own chambers directly behind their courtroom, and they kept their robes in their chambers. Sorry to be anticlimactic! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5040 "2024-05-29T22:46:49Z")
Ok, I was thinking “Don’t they have an office or something in the courthouse?” Man, I though My Cousin Vinny might have lied to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=251) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=253)