# Manhattan Prosecutors file criminal charges for Trump re Stormy Daniels case - ongoing discussion here (Guilty on all 34 counts, May 30, 2024) **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [March 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953 "2023-03-09T22:53:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 277
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5521 "2024-05-31T01:43:28Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > > > If I was researching his presentencing report, I would ask him what he was doing to make sure he cannot, intentionally or accidentally, violate campaign laws in his current campaign. If he doesn’t have a good answer, I do not see how you can recommend probation. > > The problem there, of course, is that that is a question Trump won’t answer. Not just that question, though, I can see him answering every question with, "Rigged trial . . . My guess is that Trump’s lawyers will tell him not to complain about the judge, prosecution, witnesses, and jury, to the presentencing investigator, and that Trump will comply. We saw in the trial that when he knows crossing a red line would inevitably lead to jail, he does not cross it. However, I would think they want more than that. If it was a case with a drug pusher, they would want to hear the convict say he was now honestly working long shifts at, say, McDonalds. They might not wholly believe it, but it is a positive sign. if the dealer literally refuses to come up with a good story on how they are turning their life around, there is going to be a long sentence. Right? And here we have Trump, in 2024, doing the same job he was convicted to doing, in an illegal manner, in 2016, with similar rhetoric. I don’t see how they can go easy on someone like that, although maybe they will. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5522 "2024-05-31T01:43:32Z")
I agree. I saw that and it made me want to subscribe. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5523 "2024-05-31T01:46:19Z")
You talked me off the ledge! Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5524 "2024-05-31T01:47:08Z")
Mary trump did have a big smile. She seems to believe that trump will get prison time. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5525 "2024-05-31T01:49:55Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Which makes me want to ask: could a more competent defense team that didn’t let trump run the show have gotten trump off? I think it would have helped Trump’s defense if they didn’t deny he had sex with Stormy Daniels. To see the defense argue something patently false had to undermine their credibility with the jury. As we’ve heard, it’s tough to say what a jury might do. But I think had Trump let his lawyers handle his case it’s more likely he would have emerged victorious. Just like his civil cases. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5526 "2024-05-31T01:50:49Z")
Coming up on CNN, if you’re in front of a TV or online feed: Ivanka Trump’s reaction to the verdict. Commercial on now; ten minutes left in the Kaitlin Collins show. ---
**Author:** ![Jihi](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jihi/32/17768_2.png) [@Jihi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jihi)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5527 "2024-05-31T01:54:00Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > Ivanka Trump’s reaction to the verdict. “Donald? Barely know the guy. He might have got me coffee once.” ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5528 "2024-05-31T01:54:38Z")
Turned out to be a photo of Ivanka as a little girl, being carried by Donald. Caption reads, “I love you, Dad.” ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5529 "2024-05-31T01:55:45Z")
> [@Jihi](#): > > “Donald? Barely know the guy. He might have got me coffee once.” 🤣 Well done! ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5530 "2024-05-31T01:56:26Z")
Well, that was sad. Just a picture of young ivanka with her father. Caption of: love you,dad. Turns out that melania and Barron are in nyc. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5531 "2024-05-31T01:58:36Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Which makes me want to ask: could a more competent defense team that didn’t let trump run the show have gotten trump off? Not as well as Stormy did… ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5532 "2024-05-31T01:58:58Z")
Oops. It was Pirro, not Bartiromo. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5533 "2024-05-31T02:00:00Z")
Moderating: > [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > Not as well as Stormy did… Let’s not do this. It’s demeaning to Stormy Daniels. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 2:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5534 "2024-05-31T02:04:51Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > The Fox headline? “Trump blasts judge and jury”. Talk about burying the lede. ---
**Author:** ![KarlGauss](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/karlgauss/32/3713_2.png) [@KarlGauss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGauss)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5535 "2024-05-31T02:06:47Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > But I think had Trump let his lawyers handle his case it’s more likely he would have emerged victorious Reminds me of a mustachioed man who some years ago kept overruling his generals thereby accelerating his armies’ defeats. Yet another similarity. ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5536 "2024-05-31T02:14:05Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > from the Queens Daily Eagle: “Queens Man Convicted”. Ya’know, no disrespect meant but wouldn’t that be like boilerplate text useable on any day the courts are in business? > [@Odesio](#): > > I think had Trump let his lawyers handle his case it’s more likely he would have emerged victorious. I am inclined to agree. But he really was not interested in it being handled like his usual civil cases was he? ---
**Author:** ![romansperson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/romansperson/32/17100_2.png) [@romansperson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/romansperson)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5537 "2024-05-31T02:14:38Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Well, that was sad. Just a picture of young ivanka with her father. Caption of: love you,dad. “But I’d rather not be seen with you right now.” > [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Turns out that melania and Barron are in nyc. Shopping for college supplies? ---
**Author:** ![Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/q.q.switcheroo/32/5713_2.png) [@Q.Q.Switcheroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Q.Q.Switcheroo)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 2:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5538 "2024-05-31T02:18:36Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > > [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > > > from the Queens Daily Eagle: “Queens Man Convicted”. > > Ya’know, no disrespect meant but wouldn’t that be like boilerplate text useable on any day the courts are in business? They already did “Queens Man Elected” and “Queens Man Impeached.” ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2024, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953/5539 "2024-05-31T02:19:26Z")
It’s interesting hearing Blanche on CNN when asked why the defense didn’t call certain witnesses, Keith Shiller and Allen Weisselberg, said it was a “loaded question” for any prosecutor to answer because “this is American and we [the defense] don’t have the burden of proof.” He argues the prosecution should have called those witnesses but doesn’t say why. Dude, if you think they could have helped Trump you should have called them, my man. ---
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> [@DesertDog](#): > > > [@wolfpup](#): > > > > The Fox headline? “Trump blasts judge and jury”. > > Talk about burying the lede. No, the lede was right there in that story, > **the very most important part** > > ## _Soros!_ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=276) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/manhattan-prosecutors-file-criminal-charges-for-trump-re-stormy-daniels-case-ongoing-discussion-here-guilty-on-all-34-counts-may-30-2024/980953.md?page=278)